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He's still lying! Amazing!

Author: MAS (21455 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 11:05 pm on Jul 4, 2021
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Who in the world claimed that there is a "black violence gene?" Are you that frightened and hurt that you must keep up these easily deconstructed strawmen? Certainly not me. You asserted that antisocial behavior is mostly environmental. Please post evidence of this. I'm begging you. I posted links to two studies, one a metanalysis, both of which clearly demonstrate that antisocial behavior is a product of both. Honestly, only a fool would assert that it is entirely environmental or that genetics play an insignificant role. It's certainly not controversial among geneticists. It's only controversial among people who wish to subscribe to an 18th century concept of tabula rasa, which, amazingly, is what many lapse into to avoid discussing things about genetics that make them uncomfortable.

Here is what we know: Certain genes influence impulsivity within individuals. We see a wide variation in impulsivity among all individual human beings. Your explanation is that it is due to environment. The problem is that we find impulsive, antisocial individuals greatly outnumbered by non-impulsive individuals in the same environments. In fact, as I noted, we find them in the same families as non-impulsive, non-antisocial siblings. How do you explain that with your assertion? You should consult some of the studies on identical twins adopted by separate families as it relates to this issue. Doh!

I also asked you before to come up with anything that is distributed equally among different racial groups, be it height, upper body strength, intelligence, eye color, hair color, bodyfat distribution, whatever. Please. Again, I'm begging you.

Are you seriously prepared to:
a. Argue the science on genetics and antisocial behavior is bunk and your opinion, uninformed by science, is the correct one? If so, please share the evidence that refutes the research I shared in the original thread, which makes clear that genetics play a large role, and that as antisocial behavior is more violent, the greater the factor that genetics plays. You can't produce it, thus your shuffles, fallacies, and name-calling. Dead giveaways.

Or

b. Yes, genes that influence impulsivity play a role, but they play a role at proportionally identical percentages among racial groups. In other words, there simply cannot be a higher percentage of blacks with a genetic makeup that makes them more impulsive than Asians, or Caucasians. Is that another hunch? If so, what environmental phenomena among lower-class blacks differs from those of other racial/ethnic groups in similar socioeconomic strata? Illegitimacy rates continue to rise among Hispanics and whites. I take it you think that lower-class Hispanics often live in dreadful situations, with poor nutrition, high levels of abuse, broken families, and so forth. Why do the aforementioned homicide rates even among Hispanics pale in comparison, given the similar conditions in which they live compared to blacks? It simply cannot be that different racial groups procreate at different rates, and therefore, some groups produce more individuals with genetic makeups that make them more impulsive. Again, we already know that certain genes affect impulsivity. This isn't in dispute among geneticists. And to further short-circuit your brain, I'm going mention this: there tends to be an inverse relationship between intelligence/reasoning ability and impulsivity. The link below lists numerous studies. Then again, you already know this on some level from your experiences growing up and who were the chronic miscreants and frightening kids. Maybe, and hold onto something, the reason Asians commit crimes and demonstrate impulsive, antisocial behavior at drastically lower levels than other racial groups is because they have a mean IQ of 108. Or is that utterly impossible? If so, why?

I will be back in a few days and after shaming Ty a bit this morning, with perhaps a tad more shaming required, we will engage in a discussion where he offers counterevidence and some attempts at reasoning. You, on the other hand, will have answered none of my longstanding questions and will simply be namecalling.


Link: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/7512293_How_Impulsivity_is_Related_to_Intelligence_and_Academic_Achievement

Replies to: "He's still lying! Amazing!"

  • Ty, buddy. You picked up Frank's lie and ran with it? It's the Sabbath and also Independence Day. - MAS - 12:14pm 7/4/21 (39) [View All]
    • Just want to say ahead of time that I'm not interested in "locking" horns with you, but here are my - TyroneIrish - 1:11pm 7/5/21
      • "Venting of accumulated frustrations." Of course. [NT] - jakers - 4:31pm 7/5/21
        • That's it?...that's all you've got, Jake?...no thoughts on all the other relevant comments for MAS? - TyroneIrish - 8:24pm 7/5/21
          • What's your family genetics specialist think? - jakers - 9:06pm 7/5/21
            • What a sweetheart you are, Jake ;-)...for you, that reply was probably a herculean effort...sadly, - TyroneIrish - 9:57pm 7/5/21
              • Yes, you lying imbecile - I know exactly how you are framing his posts. - jakers - 10:18pm 7/5/21
                • You can have the last word, but you still haven't addressed MAS's genetics claim and my response... - TyroneIrish - 11:55pm 7/5/21
    • Some research exists. [NT] [LINK] - Aragoto - 5:16pm 7/4/21
    • (Giggling...) [NT] - jakers - 1:16pm 7/4/21
    • You mean genetics that predominate in one racial group more than others? Why don’t you call it - Frank L - 12:34pm 7/4/21
      • Whoa - that’s his argument? That genetics predispose black people to crime? - Chris94 - 4:45pm 7/4/21
        • Uhm, yeah...just a “plausible hypothesis” on his part. [NT] - Frank L - 5:28pm 7/4/21
          • His move is to obviously imply something asinine and offensive and then deny it - Chris94 - 9:54pm 7/4/21
            • You do realize Frank is nuttier than a fruitcake? [NT] - notredame678 - 10:03pm 7/4/21
      • Yip, yip, yip, yip, yip! - MAS - 12:37pm 7/4/21
        • Obviously you have no answer to the question. You have become a caricature. [NT] - Frank L - 12:43pm 7/4/21
          • I answered yesterday. - MAS - 12:51pm 7/4/21
            • It’s an “entirely plausible hypothesis”? Care to share any studies showing that? - Frank L - 12:54pm 7/4/21
              • You need to put up or stop yipping. - MAS - 12:56pm 7/4/21
                • Uhm nooooo my little wannabe geppetto, methinks you need to put up the study that supports your - Frank L - 1:01pm 7/4/21
                  • Uh, Frank, Frank? What comes first, testing/research or the hypothesis? - MAS - 4:20pm 7/4/21
                    • Then you have none, figures. Just more BS. [NT] - Frank L - 5:19pm 7/4/21
                      • Curious: what are you denying here? - Iggle - 7:56pm 7/4/21
                        • That there is no scientific evidence there is a genetic predisposition for one racial group to - Frank L - 9:41pm 7/4/21
                          • Somehow that is surprising to you? - notredame678 - 11:10pm 7/4/21
                          • He's still lying! Amazing! [LINK] - MAS - 11:05pm 7/4/21
                            • Such BS as usual. I have repeatedly prompted you to come up with any scientific evidence or study - Frank L - 12:52am 7/5/21
                              • Here's how you're lying, as posted below. - MAS - 2:50am 7/5/21
                          • I don't know. I'm only quoting statistics. - Iggle - 9:56pm 7/4/21
                            • I fully agree there. [NT] - Frank L - 10:01pm 7/4/21
                              • Thank you! I eagerly await your counterevidence! [NT] - MAS - 11:06pm 7/4/21
                                • Counter evidence of what? You are the one with the BS, unsupported eugenics theory. - Frank L - 12:46am 7/5/21
                                  • Ya did, Frank You asserted that antisocial behavior is mostly attributable to environment and I... - MAS - 2:40am 7/5/21
                        • Frank doesn’t have many of his marbles left. - notredame678 - 9:20pm 7/4/21
        • Frank has only a few marbles left. [NT] - notredame678 - 12:40pm 7/4/21
          • Look at him below, yipping about tuition, now. 16 hours a day, and on holidays, yipping, usually... - MAS - 12:42pm 7/4/21
            • Spot on, his mind is mush. [NT] - notredame678 - 2:04pm 7/4/21
    • Hold that thought...we're off shortly for a family gathering...I'll get back to you tomorrow. [NT] - TyroneIrish - 12:23pm 7/4/21
      • Dont forget ur masks and face shields [NT] - ColeyO - 12:26pm 7/4/21
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