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The Church is much bigger. The actual conduct may have been worse in the other instances, but not as

Author: Frank L (60679 Posts - Joined: Sep 20, 2007)

Posted at 10:48 am on Aug 15, 2018

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widespread.

It doesn’t change the culpability of the Church though. It does show that coverup and protection of the institution is part of any organization and not limited to the Church.

Replies to: "The Church is much bigger. The actual conduct may have been worse in the other instances, but not as"

Just skimmed the PA Grand Jury Catholic Clergy Sex Abuse Report. Knew two of the priests accused. - Aragoto - 4:18pm 8/14/18 (98) [View All]
- Gotta wonder how sex with children could ever become an orientation. - Curly1918 - 12:38pm 8/15/18
- Too many victims. Tons of great priests who have to hump the taint of the predators. - conorlarkin - 9:21pm 8/14/18
  - "Hump the taint"...may not be the best choice of words here. [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 12:26pm 8/15/18
  - It is definitely a societal problem in a fallen world, but you can't compare the catholic church to [LINK] - IrishMac - 10:04am 8/15/18
    - The degree of betrayal of trust is more pronounced w/ the Church. - conorlarkin - 10:38am 8/15/18
      - That’s because the Church holds itself, and others properly hold it to a higher standard. - Frank L - 11:42am 8/15/18
    - I can respect the harsh purge POV. But progress is being made. Still not enough. - Aragoto - 10:26am 8/15/18
    - . [NT] - Aragoto - 10:23am 8/15/18
  - My faith isn’t tied to a church, especially a corrupt one. - LanceHarbor - 6:51am 8/15/18
    - Agree generally. “The Church” to me is its people, more so than Rome. - conorlarkin - 9:06am 8/15/18
      - Nice job of double speak [NT] - ColeyO - 1:42pm 8/15/18
        Not at all. [NT] - Aragoto - 1:50pm 8/15/18
      - Though that allows for movement to any Christian denomination. [NT] - LanceHarbor - 9:43am 8/15/18
        No chance. - conorlarkin - 10:03am 8/15/18
        Good on ya. Completely agree. I’m the worlds worst Catholic, but no way I’m leaving. [NT] - Frank L - 11:08am 8/15/18
    - Christ founded the Church. And said the Gates of Hell would not prevail against it. - Aragoto - 8:59am 8/15/18
      - Technically the people that wrote the Gospel of Matthew 50 years after Jesus's death wrote that. - LanceHarbor - 9:19am 8/15/18
        Don't let the Church door hit you on the way out lance. - Aragoto - 10:14am 8/15/18
  - I totally agree with every word of this post. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 11:35pm 8/14/18
  - What a pile of crap. Comparing Penn State, Mich.State, and Ohio State to atrocities of - ColeyO - 10:33pm 8/14/18
    - True. The church was much worse. [NT] - Chris94 - 10:28am 8/15/18
      - The Church is much bigger. The actual conduct may have been worse in the other instances, but not as - Frank L - 10:48am 8/15/18
      - Tell that to the MSU gymnasts. - Aragoto - 10:36am 8/15/18
    - The comparison is indeed appropriate. - conorlarkin - 6:09am 8/15/18
      - Don’t forget the Boy Scouts. [NT] - Aragoto - 8:51am 8/15/18
        Absolutely. [NT] - conorlarkin - 9:09am 8/15/18
    - Why do you say that? You know the size of the Church? Of course the allegations were more widespread - Frank L - 11:21pm 8/14/18
      - Your butt buddy CL was the one that brought up the comparison. BTW - ColeyO - 11:39pm 8/14/18
        Not to show that there is a problem top to bottom in virtually all institutions dealing with youth. - Frank L - 11:47pm 8/14/18
    - everybody needs to do better. - Aragoto - 10:41pm 8/14/18
  - It's amazing to me that having these so-called paragons committing horrible crimes, - Iggle - 10:00pm 8/14/18
    - If the sins of men shook one's faith, then Judas and Peter should have shut things down right away. - NedoftheHill - 10:59pm 8/14/18
      - I wonder if this is a candidate for Bayesian Analysis [LINK] - Iggle - 9:34am 8/15/18
        Just saw this. Good post. My thoughts within. - NedoftheHill - 3:42pm 8/16/18
        
        How does the fact that numerous humans committed heinous crimes impact whether - Frank L - 11:24am 8/15/18
        I should have said "Although this certainly has no bearing directly on whether God exists..." - Iggle - 2:22pm 8/15/18
        Yes you did toss the disclaimer in after first raising the subject. You can try to deflect, but..... - Frank L - 5:10pm 8/15/18
      - This is correct. The Church as a human institution has committed far worse in its history. - Frank L - 11:26pm 8/14/18
    - One of the priests I knew was molested as a child - Aragoto - 10:14pm 8/14/18
      - "Smart and compassionate" but diddled young black men. Define - ColeyO - 11:26pm 8/14/18
        I don’t excuse his behavior at all. Grow up. - Aragoto - 2:53am 8/15/18
  - We agree. - Aragoto - 9:37pm 8/14/18
  - The many good priests are also victims of the Church’s institutional failure as you point out. - Frank L - 9:30pm 8/14/18
- These numbers are stunning. Time to let priests marry. - Chris94 - 6:54pm 8/14/18
  - Finally, you say something that makes good sense [NT] - MarkHarman - 10:09pm 8/14/18
  - Marriage abates pedophelia? Then require all couples to marry. That’ll solve everything. [NT] - Aragoto - 7:01pm 8/14/18
    - The celibate priesthood attracts deviates. Seems pretty clear. - Chris94 - 7:20pm 8/14/18
      - It’s a societal problem. The Catholic Church is not immune. Awareness is the key.. [NT] - Aragoto - 8:16pm 8/14/18
        i guess the hundreds of victims just were not aware enough. It must - irishscooter - 9:05pm 8/14/18
        Conspiracy theories abound. - Aragoto - 9:20pm 8/14/18
        
        Absolutely false. Society was not sanctioning child fuckery. The church was. [NT] - Chris94 - 8:52pm 8/14/18
        I know a dozen people who were molested by their family members. They covered up. - Aragoto - 9:48pm 8/14/18
        This was a top-to-bottom institutional failure. - Chris94 - 10:30am 8/15/18
        Same could be said of society in general. - Aragoto - 10:48am 8/15/18
        
        Defend, Catholic soldier! [NT] - LanceHarbor - 8:17pm 8/14/18
        Your dismissiveness is telling. - Aragoto - 8:24pm 8/14/18
        Dismissive of a bunch of people who have covered up for monsters. - LanceHarbor - 8:31pm 8/14/18
        Seem harsh and statistically invalid. [NT] - Aragoto - 8:47pm 8/14/18
        Right. I should go easier on an organization still not coming to terms with protecting abusers. - LanceHarbor - 9:26pm 8/14/18
        Never said “go easier” . But why condemn the innocent? [NT] - Aragoto - 9:33pm 8/14/18
      - Re: The celibate priesthood attracts deviates. Seems pretty clear. - ColeyO - 7:34pm 8/14/18
        Running away from the Church into the arms of Mother Secular Humanism? - Aragoto - 8:18pm 8/14/18
        you misspelled some [NT] - ColeyO - 9:00pm 8/14/18
        
        Married priests would hardly be dishonorable. [NT] - Chris94 - 8:53pm 8/14/18
        Agreed. My great uncle was a married Catholic priest. [NT] - Aragoto - 9:22pm 8/14/18
    - Simpleton [NT] - LanceHarbor - 7:06pm 8/14/18
      - You are a soldier of Secular Humanism. [NT] - Aragoto - 1:51pm 8/15/18
- More than 300 priests in PA abused and molested CHILDREN. I wonder - irishscooter - 6:29pm 8/14/18
  - Horrific. But not a problem confined to the Catholic Church. [NT] - Aragoto - 6:33pm 8/14/18
    - . [NT] - Aragoto - 6:34pm 8/14/18
      - you are an infection on this board. Like malware but worse [NT] - irishscooter - 6:36pm 8/14/18
        No reason to suggest that. [NT] - Aragoto - 6:38pm 8/14/18
        I believe your democrat comment illustrates how you really trivialize - irishscooter - 6:49pm 8/14/18
        Acknowledged the disaster up front. The Democrat comment shows the absurdity of lance’s implication [NT] - Aragoto - 6:55pm 8/14/18
        What did I imply regarding political affiliation? - LanceHarbor - 8:40pm 8/14/18
        F em all you said. Hardly a balanced POV. [NT] - Aragoto - 8:50pm 8/14/18
        
        Blaming the entire Church for the actions of a few is absurd. - Aragoto - 8:46pm 8/14/18
        "a few." Again, you're a lunatic. - LanceHarbor - 9:34pm 8/14/18
        Lunatics accuse innocent people. Which you have done. [NT] - Aragoto - 9:44pm 8/14/18
        
        Statistically, the number isn’t great. That isn’t the point though. - Frank L - 9:42pm 8/14/18
- Prior to this report, would you have called those two priests “good?” [NT] - LanceHarbor - 5:59pm 8/14/18
  - So, you imply none of them should be called “good”. Typical. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 6:20pm 8/14/18
    - That’s what you infer, not what I imply. - LanceHarbor - 7:05pm 8/14/18
      - Not canned at all you pompous ass. - Aragoto - 7:30pm 8/14/18
        Your faith should have nothing to do with continued support of an organization... - LanceHarbor - 7:36pm 8/14/18
        .Well I actually just got out of Church. We prayed for victims of abuse. For good priests. - Aragoto - 8:23pm 8/14/18
        Already did, practically speaking. - LanceHarbor - 8:29pm 8/14/18
        Catholic bashing Notre Dame fan? Seems conflicting. - Aragoto - 8:39pm 8/14/18
        I am not a lawyer. You are on a roll. [NT] - LanceHarbor - 9:36pm 8/14/18
        Please tell me you are not an MBA. They are worse. [NT] - Aragoto - 9:50pm 8/14/18
        Nope. Never needed it. [NT] - LanceHarbor - 9:55pm 8/14/18
        That’s great for you. You seem to be doing everything right. [NT] - Aragoto - 10:05pm 8/14/18
    - Actually the two I knew were devout Democrats as well. [NT] - Aragoto - 6:35pm 8/14/18
    - I wonder how many more clergy and Bishops and Cardinals - irishscooter - 6:35pm 8/14/18
      - It’s a societal problem. Nobody gets a pass on this. [NT] - Aragoto - 6:42pm 8/14/18
        sure. Tell me this. If your young son was abused and raped by - irishscooter - 6:56pm 8/14/18
        I wouldn’t stop sending him to school. Or society. - Aragoto - 7:04pm 8/14/18
        Sure. [NT] - irishscooter - 7:08pm 8/14/18