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Trade wars are not regular wars.
Author:
Chris94
(34930 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 2:43 am on Dec 17, 2018
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Replies to: "Trade wars are not regular wars."
If sustained, can we win the trade war with China?
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iairishcheeks
- 12:59pm 12/16/18
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How do you define “win”? If you mean get some IP concessions, maybe. If you mean substantial change
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Frank L
- 10:17am 12/17/18
I asked the audience to define "win" as a part of their answer...
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iairishcheeks
- 12:19pm 12/17/18
Whelp, I did answer it then.
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Frank L
- 12:42pm 12/17/18
Something to do with North Korea?
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iairishcheeks
- 12:49pm 12/17/18
The results of both situations may well end up
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Frank L
- 1:32pm 12/17/18
Who are "we?" Silicon Valley does not consider itself "American" but rather global.
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Curly1918
- 9:30am 12/17/18
We have been in a trade war for them for twenty years, and lost badly
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Hank Scorpio
- 10:59pm 12/16/18
In case you are wondering why I haven't answered, it is because I have no idea what the answer is.
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NedoftheHill
- 10:19pm 12/16/18
No one wins trade wars
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Chris94
- 3:56pm 12/16/18
Would you say noone wins regular wars because there are costs?
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NedoftheHill
- 8:06pm 12/16/18
Trade wars are not regular wars.
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Chris94
- 2:43am 12/17/18
Nice dodge.
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NedoftheHill
- 11:01pm 12/17/18
Nope. Up through WWII there were winners and losers
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CC72
- 11:40pm 12/16/18
im generally for full fair and open trade, but china’s theft of US IP must be addressed.
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WestCoastIrishFan
- 4:02pm 12/16/18
Explain how they are stealing US IP, and how you would stop it.
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LehighND
- 5:03pm 12/16/18
Do you really need this explained to you?
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Hank Scorpio
- 10:57pm 12/16/18
You are useless.
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LehighND
- 12:42pm 12/17/18
Don't know if these are what Trump is getting at, but here is my experience.
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NedoftheHill
- 5:37pm 12/16/18
Good stuff. Some replies.
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LehighND
- 1:22pm 12/17/18
Follow up.
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NedoftheHill
- 8:38pm 12/17/18
Thanks. That's good stuff.
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LehighND
- 2:23pm 12/18/18
Trump already scuttled a trans Asia trade deal. Leaving China the winner.
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Frank L
- 9:58pm 12/17/18
I think he's shown a willingness to revisit trade deals and make them better.
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NedoftheHill
- 11:02pm 12/17/18
He’s shown more ability to fuck up those deals. Just stupid to pull out of that Pacific deal.
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Frank L
- 11:08pm 12/17/18
Outline why that was bad? Do you think NAFTA2 is also bad?
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NedoftheHill
- 12:55am 12/18/18
Bad, because it would have provided a trading bloc counterpart to China in Asia with us at the head
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Frank L
- 10:05am 12/18/18
can’t go on better than that. i also know from personal experience at a former
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WestCoastIrishFan
- 8:22pm 12/16/18
Yes, their courts generally ignore decisions of courts outside of China.
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NedoftheHill
- 9:54pm 12/16/18
The Chinese are a closed society and right now do not create anything
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Curly1918
- 3:36pm 12/16/18
Where in the world did you come up with such a bizarre notion?
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LehighND
- 5:02pm 12/16/18
Creativity only thrives in an environment of an open exchange of information
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Curly1918
- 9:27am 12/17/18
They actually create lots of things.
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Chris94
- 3:56pm 12/16/18
I opened this post expecting to see a list of recent Chinese creations
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Curly1918
- 9:21am 12/17/18
Yes, but his point still has merit.
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NedoftheHill
- 10:17pm 12/16/18
Unfortunately, no
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CC72
- 3:36pm 12/16/18
It seems so, but I've asked in the past for specifics of what people consider victory.
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LehighND
- 1:57pm 12/16/18
I don't know what needs to be done, but I know Dems & GOP want the status quo, which isn't working.
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NedoftheHill
- 10:25pm 12/16/18
I think any reasonable person would agree with that.
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LehighND
- 8:07pm 12/17/18
What you regularly fail to take in account is that the “change” may even be worse. Czarist Russia
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Frank L
- 4:28pm 12/17/18
I do take that into account, but I think GOP & Dem policies are taking us to worse places already.
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NedoftheHill
- 8:46pm 12/17/18
Those policies have also created some of the greatest peacetime prosperity for the West.
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Frank L
- 9:53pm 12/17/18
And now squandering that.
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NedoftheHill
- 11:03pm 12/17/18
So what’s he replacing it with that’s better? Outline the policy and why it’s better.
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Frank L
- 11:08pm 12/17/18
You haven't been following him? How about correcting trade imbalances and repealing regulations.
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NedoftheHill
- 12:37am 12/18/18
At what cost correcting trade imbalances, to what demonstrable benefit?
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Frank L
- 8:54am 12/18/18
"Repealing regulation is a standard R message"...that the R's never make good on.
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NedoftheHill
- 9:57am 12/18/18
The cost is going to be a slowdown of the economy. How big is the question.
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Frank L
- 10:14am 12/18/18
Bubble is bursting anyway. Looking pretty grim right now.
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NedoftheHill
- 5:06pm 12/18/18
disagree. adherence to WTO courts would be a win. additionally,
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WestCoastIrishFan
- 10:19pm 12/16/18