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Who will pay the $4 trillion annual cost?.
Author:
PBHangingChad
(15790 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 12:33 pm on Jan 29, 2019
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Replies to: "Who will pay the $4 trillion annual cost?."
If health care is a “fundamental right” how about housing, food, clothing and transportation?
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Curly1918
- 6:11am 1/29/19
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Yes, if we reached a situation where masses of Americans lacked those things.
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MAS
- 11:15am 1/29/19
No, you don't get it, 'casue you never understand conservatism. It's right vs personal responsbility
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Eli
- 2:08pm 1/29/19
It has nothing to do with rights... it's all about votes.
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Curly1918
- 4:56pm 1/29/19
Boy, you have a very low opinion of people, particularly Americans.
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MAS
- 5:12pm 1/29/19
Like most American conservatives, you're not a conservative.
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MAS
- 2:23pm 1/29/19
Again, no word "personal responsibility" in response, only ad hominem. That means I nailed you.
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Eli
- 2:51pm 1/29/19
Chum, my whole philosophy is about my responsibilities and obligations to others.
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MAS
- 3:01pm 1/29/19
How weird. Personal responsibility is the heart & soul of conservative. We believe that's the value
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Eli
- 3:25pm 1/29/19
In twenty-plus years on the Internet/World Wide Web, I have yet to read an American "conservative"
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MAS
- 3:32pm 1/29/19
I support a safety net... for our citizens! But I will never side mandatory one size fits all.
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Curly1918
- 11:25am 1/29/19
Hyperbolic silliness.
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MAS
- 11:37am 1/29/19
Single payer eliminates the right to freely contract.
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Curly1918
- 11:42am 1/29/19
I want to contract with private defense providers. Your totalitarian, communist system of socialized
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MAS
- 11:56am 1/29/19
So will doctors work for the government and will the government own and operate our hospitals
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Curly1918
- 12:29pm 1/29/19
Do you know what "single-payer" means?
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MAS
- 12:46pm 1/29/19
I assume it means that we all have the exact same policy and it's with the government and it's free
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Curly1918
- 1:11pm 1/29/19
Da government can negotiate with much more leverage.
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MAS
- 1:26pm 1/29/19
You're right... I would have zero leverage to negotiate my coverage with the GOVERNMENT
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Curly1918
- 1:46pm 1/29/19
You're arguing that da gvoernment has more incentive to not cover that than private bureaucrats?
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MAS
- 1:51pm 1/29/19
I can purchase coverage for anything from an insurance company... not so from the GOVERNMENT
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Curly1918
- 1:57pm 1/29/19
You cannot purchase coverage for anything from your insurance company.
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MAS
- 2:01pm 1/29/19
I have purchased everything that I need and that I want.
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Curly1918
- 5:00pm 1/29/19
You cannot buy coverage for everything you need/want.
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MAS
- 5:15pm 1/29/19
I don’t think people have a right to get me to pay for their welfare
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CC72
- 10:52am 1/29/19
Correct, Congress backed by Supreme Court rulings have clearly read new rights into the Constitution
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PBHangingChad
- 11:13am 1/29/19
How about roads, police, sewage, military, and so on...?
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jimbasil
- 10:34am 1/29/19
Wait, I have a cesspool. I demand my right to sewage be honored!
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TakethetrainKnute
- 12:06pm 1/29/19
Don't you have all the sewage you need in that cesspool?
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LehighND
- 1:09pm 1/29/19
No... they are not! They are simply services that we chose to provide for the common good.
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Curly1918
- 10:59am 1/29/19
So HCare isn’t a service?
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jimbasil
- 11:21am 1/29/19
It's not or does it's say the Federal government should provide you with heathcare
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PBHangingChad
- 11:31am 1/29/19
My whataboutism post is not that it's a fundemental right, it's that the first complaint each spring
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jimbasil
- 12:33pm 1/29/19
Where you getting $4 trillion annually from according to the CBO
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PBHangingChad
- 12:47pm 1/29/19
This is a human rights issue, PB. We can't worry about cost!
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NedoftheHill
- 1:50pm 1/29/19
Ah but there is the rub. Federalists vs. States. With the exception for common defense, it was up
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PBHangingChad
- 11:10am 1/29/19
One should read the constitution and Bill of Rights which clearly states the government's role
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PBHangingChad
- 10:48am 1/29/19
It lays out all the services the federal government shall provide and all that shall be prohibited?
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MAS
- 10:52am 1/29/19
The 16th admendment and the Revenue Tax Act of 1913 allow the Federal government to collect taxes
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PBHangingChad
- 11:05am 1/29/19
Libertarians cling to a childlike belief system that has no basis in reality.
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MAS
- 11:17am 1/29/19
Repealing the 17th Am. would achieve that goal, and that proposal is neither juvenile nor silly.
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NedoftheHill
- 1:46pm 1/29/19
It's not silly or juvenile but it will never happen? Got it.
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MAS
- 1:54pm 1/29/19
I'm curious if you say the same about the other Parties? All parties have crazy ideas.
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NedoftheHill
- 2:13pm 1/29/19
I've voted for some of their candidates. Including the Libertarians.
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MAS
- 2:18pm 1/29/19
Valid point.
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NedoftheHill
- 5:49pm 1/29/19
Well then be resigned to have DC tell you how to live your life
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PBHangingChad
- 11:35am 1/29/19
See what I mean?
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MAS
- 11:41am 1/29/19
Have you run a business? I had great healthcare for my company before Obamacare. Now rates are
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PBHangingChad
- 11:56am 1/29/19
Ah, the "Oh yeah, when have you coached?!?!" fallacy.
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MAS
- 11:59am 1/29/19
Who will pay the $4 trillion annual cost?.
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PBHangingChad
- 12:33pm 1/29/19
The Constitutional lawyer BHO called health care a “fundamental right”,
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Cole
- 6:32am 1/29/19
I agree, Mr. President! As do most Americans.
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conorlarkin
- 8:02am 1/29/19
Fair enough... so why does Kamala want to take it away from those who are now covered?
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Curly1918
- 9:11am 1/29/19
Or you?
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jimbasil
- 10:35am 1/29/19
So are food, housing, clothing and transportation also fundamental rights?
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MarkHarman
- 8:16am 1/29/19
For our children, yes. Of course.
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conorlarkin
- 9:09am 1/29/19
If you can't take the responsibility for children, why the hell are you having them? Part of that
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THEISMANCARR
- 9:54am 1/29/19
Are we enabling single motherhood too well?
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NedoftheHill
- 10:05am 1/29/19
That's why we need to allow infanticide outside the womb
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Curly1918
- 10:01am 1/29/19
True. The arguments for abortion are logically extendable to support this.
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NedoftheHill
- 10:08am 1/29/19
Technical point: If something must be provided by others, it is never a right. It is a benefit.
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NedoftheHill
- 9:28am 1/29/19
"Duty" is a better word. Duty that our great nation takes care of those who cannot.
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conorlarkin
- 10:24am 1/29/19
"Those?" Not just American citizens?
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Curly1918
- 11:22am 1/29/19
Duty is better. The "right" stuff is complete BS, promulgated by people who usually know better.
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NedoftheHill
- 10:57am 1/29/19