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Are you aware that adult stem cells work better than embryo stem cells?

Author: StoneFingers (2119 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 9:25 pm on Mar 25, 2009
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Science is making great strides in using adult stem cells for healing patients. Below I'll quote and link several articles about this. There's a few basics I want to pass on first.
1) Using adult stem cells means doctors can use the patients own cells, thus removing the risk of rejection.
2) Any kind of cells from any part of the body can be created using adult stem cells, just like embryonic stem cells are supposed to do.
3) While they are having such success with adult stem cells, there is nothing coming forwards from embryonic stem cells. Zip. Nada. Despite ample private funding.
4) There is a big push on for Embryonic research, and almost all of it leads to emotional reactions and low-road fighting. In the midst of this, the facts are being suppressed. Some believe that there is a bigger reason that the adult stem cell successes are being overlooked by the embryonic research people. The suspicion is that, while adult stem cells used from the patient themselves will work fine for healing injuries, it doesn't allow for stem cells from foreign sources to be used in research, nor the possibilities of harvesting. Why is that important? Because there are researches into cloning and human-animal hybrids that will almost certainly require lots of stem cells. I don't know about this, but it does raise an alarm.

Using what they say is a relatively simple method, scientists at Georgetown University Medical Center have extracted stem/progenitor cells from adult testes and have converted them back into pluripotent embryonic-like stem cells. Researchers say that the naïve cells are now potentially capable of morphing into any cell type that a body needs, from brain neurons to pancreatic tissue.

And because they produced these stem cells without the use of additional genes, the technology should be safe for human use, the researchers say in a paper published online in the journal Stem Cells and Development.

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The question of stem cells is currently the dominant subject in the debate over biotechnology and human genetics: Should we use embryonic stem cells or adult stem cells for future medical therapies? Embryonic stem cells are taken from a developing embryo at the blastocyst stage, destroying the embryo, a developing human life. Adult stem cells, on the other hand, are found in all tissues of the growing human being and, according to latest reports, also have the potential to transform themselves into practically all other cell types, or revert to being stem cells with greater reproductive capacity. Embryonic stem cells have not yet been used for even one therapy, while adult stem cells have already been successfully used in numerous patients, including for cardiac infarction (death of some of the heart tissue).
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It is remarkable that in the debate–often carried on with little competence–the potential of embryonic stem cells is exaggerated in a one-sided way, while important moral questions and issues of research strategy are passed over in silence. Generally, advocates of research with embryonic stem cells use as their main argument that such research will enable us to cure all of the diseases that are incurable today–cancer, AIDS, Alzheimers, multiple sclerosis, and so forth. Faced with such a prospect, it is supposed to be "acceptable" to "overlook" a few moral problems.

On closer inspection, however, the much extolled vision of the future turns out to be a case of completely empty promises: Given the elementary state of research today, it is by no means yet foreseeable, whether even one of the hoped-for treatments can be realized. Basically, such promised cures are a deliberate deception, for behind the mirage of a coming medical wonderland, promoted by interested parties, completely other research objectives will be pursued that are to be kept out of public discussion as much as possible.

Perfect candor should rule in stem cell research. This requires that the scientist himself clearly establish the moral limits of his activity and declare what the consequences of research with embryonic stem cells really are. In the process, no one can escape the fact that, should one wish to use embryonic stem cells for "therapeutic purposes," the very techniques will be developed that will also be used for the cloning of human beings, the making of human-animal hybrids, the manipulation of germ lines, and the like–thus for everything other than therapeutic purposes. Any coverup or hypocrisy in this matter will very quickly reflect upon the research as a whole.

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Using a potion of growth factors and other nutrients, scientists at Jefferson Medical College have shown in the laboratory they are able to convert adult human bone marrow stem cells into adult brain cells.
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Researchers at Jefferson Medical College have found a new way to coax bone marrow stem cells into becoming dopamine-producing neurons. If the method proves reliable, the work may ultimately lead to new therapies for neurological diseases such as Parkinson's disease, which is marked by a loss of dopamine-making cells in the brain.
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I can supply loads more if you need.


Replies to: "Are you aware that adult stem cells work better than embryo stem cells?"

  • 22nd-most important catholic figure in No. Indiana to boycott commencement [LINK] - Chris94 - 6:25pm 3/25/09 (58) [View All]
    • I always think of the Monty Python song "Every Sperm is Sacred" when the stem cell argument starts [LINK] - ND_in_ATL - 11:10pm 3/25/09
    • Interesting how you don't mock Islamic believers like you do Catholics. [NT] - Killshot - 10:12pm 3/25/09
      • And Jewish people have a green light to make jokes about Jewish people - Chris94 - 11:27pm 3/25/09
        • I thought you were a devout follower of Obama, the great uniter, no? - TheIrishHammer - 4:51am 3/26/09
      • Why mock pagans they're already going to hell? - Hibakusha - 11:02pm 3/25/09
    • Are you aware that adult stem cells work better than embryo stem cells? - StoneFingers - 9:25pm 3/25/09
      • This is an anti-stem cell guy disagreeing. [NT] [LINK] - NDFaninNJ - 10:31am 3/26/09
        • Where do you see a disagreement? - StoneFingers - 11:22am 3/26/09
          • Actually, he said "could" work, not "can" work. [NT] - NDFaninNJ - 11:36am 3/26/09
      • Are you aware that, if they did, there would be no issue? - Chris94 - 11:25pm 3/25/09
        • Astounding - StoneFingers - 11:38pm 3/25/09
      • Depends on a case by case basis - ND_in_ATL - 11:00pm 3/25/09
        • That doesn't seem to be true anymore [LINK] - StoneFingers - 11:26pm 3/25/09
    • Yeah, once you decide to rip a child from mom's womb, you gotta be considerate of others... [NT] - GOAT - 7:05pm 3/25/09
    • It's time to embrace the fact that you and Mac, to name a couple, are not Catholic. - TheIrishHammer - 6:37pm 3/25/09
      • I guess we'll have plenty of time to work out who is right and wrong in Purgatory...See you there! [NT] - ND_in_ATL - 11:01pm 3/25/09
        • I am destined to sit on the right hand of the Father........ - TheIrishHammer - 4:52am 3/26/09
        • I hear the board ops there.... - ripperduck - 2:11am 3/26/09
        • I love Purgatory...idiot Prods think it doesn't exist. I laugh at them while I count my Indulgences! [NT] - Hibakusha - 11:04pm 3/25/09
    • The opposition to stem cell research is comically ridiculous. It is actually anti-life. - NDFaninNJ - 6:32pm 3/25/09
      • Ridiculous assertion...The Church absolutely does not want to waste embryos... - GOAT - 6:58pm 3/25/09
        • Well, the IVF process creates extra embryos and preventing stem cell research wastes them - NDFaninNJ - 7:04pm 3/25/09
          • So don't waste them in the first place, right?... - GOAT - 7:09pm 3/25/09
            • So, everyone that goes through IVF should have 8 kids, pick one and give the rest away? - NDFaninNJ - 7:18pm 3/25/09
              • No, they should not participate in IVF at all. - SouthCarolinaIrish - 8:27pm 3/25/09
                • This is perhaps the stupidest church stance since Galileo - Chris94 - 11:29pm 3/25/09
                  • Re: This is perhaps the stupidest church stance since Galileo - SouthCarolinaIrish - 9:41am 3/26/09
                    • The concept of "believing" that which you don't believe is ridiculous. - NDFaninNJ - 10:03am 3/26/09
                      • It's called faith. [NT] - SouthCarolinaIrish - 1:51pm 3/26/09
                      • It's called faith. [NT] - SouthCarolinaIrish - 1:51pm 3/26/09
                  • Galileo's harshest critics were his fellow scientists... - GOAT - 12:18am 3/26/09
                    • Seriously? - JacksSmirkingRevenge - 7:44am 3/26/09
                      • Absolutely... - GOAT - 9:26am 3/26/09
                        • You are insane - McSweeney - 1:59pm 3/26/09
                          • Gallileo taught as fact that the Sun was the Center of the Universe... - GOAT - 4:43pm 3/26/09
                        • Two things: - JacksSmirkingRevenge - 9:40am 3/26/09
                          • Re: Two things: - GOAT - 10:15am 3/26/09
                            • Uh . . . what? - JacksSmirkingRevenge - 12:47pm 3/26/09
                              • Sorry this took so long...work beckoned... - GOAT - 3:30pm 3/26/09
                                • Wrong. [LINK] - JacksSmirkingRevenge - 4:45pm 3/26/09
                                  • Wrong yerself...my issue was that most of his peers thought he was fulla shit... - GOAT - 5:06pm 3/26/09
                                    • Bullshit. - JacksSmirkingRevenge - 5:12pm 3/26/09
                                  • Addendum: [LINK] - JacksSmirkingRevenge - 4:57pm 3/26/09
                                    • Wow, that's a revelation...which proves exactly what?... - GOAT - 5:02pm 3/26/09
                                      • When have I ever stated "he was not properly cared for?" - JacksSmirkingRevenge - 5:08pm 3/26/09
                                        • Galileo was not convicted of "heresy" and that is FACT... - GOAT - 5:25pm 3/26/09
                                          • More bullshit. Or should I say goatshit. - JacksSmirkingRevenge - 5:53pm 3/26/09
                                            • Such vulgarity suggests that you are losing all sense of objectivity... - GOAT - 12:33am 3/27/09
                                              • More bullshit. It's all you got. - JacksSmirkingRevenge - 7:26am 3/27/09
                                                • Oh, I don't have to disprove yer Seamus theory... - GOAT - 10:43am 3/27/09
                                                  • Not surprised. It's no more idiotic than your statement that scientists pushed for Galileo's death [NT] - JacksSmirkingRevenge - 5:29pm 3/27/09
                                                    • Oh, don't sell yerself short, your statement is way more idiotic... - GOAT - 6:11pm 3/27/09
                      • Atomic wedgie... - MAS - 8:16am 3/26/09
                        • That sounds like Hell. [IMAGE] - JacksSmirkingRevenge - 8:29am 3/26/09
                • Well get IVF banned, and then we can talk about banning stem cell research - ND_in_ATL - 11:03pm 3/25/09
                  • This is the exact right result. For now, it is inexcusable (and anti-life) to not use the stem cells [NT] - NDFaninNJ - 9:43am 3/26/09
                  • If interested, see reply to Chris94 above.* [NT] - SouthCarolinaIrish - 9:43am 3/26/09
              • Yes...let's make sure the embryo is not considered human life...no awful outcome there... - GOAT - 7:33pm 3/25/09
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