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Sorry this took so long...work beckoned...

Author: GOAT (3793 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 3:30 pm on Mar 26, 2009
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...In your earlier post, you said Galileo was convicted of "heresy"...that is patently untrue...any number of sources will refute that assertion...pick any one you like.

...You said he was "hauled off and "imprisoned"...he was taken to a guarded luxury residence, and given a servant...his own close friend spoke of his good care...

Consider these other facts:

1. Neither Galileo, nor any other scientist, was put to death by the medieval Church for there scientific views.

2. The Catholic authorities of Galileo’s day had little trouble with heliocentrism per se. Many of the leading Catholic scientists were actually Copernicans. Copernicus’s treatise on heliocentrism had been in print for seventy years prior to Galileo’s conflict with the Church.

3. Galileo remained a devout and loyal Catholic until the end of his life.

4. Most important, the conflict between Galileo and the Church took place in the context of the Protestant Reformation, a context that is almost always omitted from popular accounts of Galileo’s trial. The key issue in this conflict was not heliocentrism per se, but the authority of the individual believer to interpret Scripture anyway they liked. Galileo’s argument that scientists should interpret the Bible to conform to their scientific views was close to Luther’s view that the believer should be his own interpreter of Scripture. It was Lutheranism, not heliocentrism, that alarmed the Church leaders.

Galileo was caught up in a larger, theological and ecclesiastical controversy. He was not simply a truth-seeking scientists going up against a bigoted Establishment.

And let's not forget Galileo taught AS FACT that the Sun WAS THE CENTER OF THE UNIVERSE...that's still bullshit as far as I know...

...I will grant you that I cannot currently produce the name of Protestants on record as wanting Galileo executed...However, it is widely known that Luther, Calvin, and Wittenberg U thought Copernicus was full of shit and refused to teach heliocentrism...got plenty of references there if you need them...and given the
Protestant proclivity for burning "witches" at the stake for a variety of reasons, it is more of a stretch to suggest nobody wanted Galileo fried as well?...But give yerself a "GOTCHA" if you like...just don't ignore you own misstatement, particularly on the heresy conviction...and don't ignore the bigger picture...

It's a complicated history with a lot of moving parts...Urban and Galileo both had asshole traits...
I'm all for de-mythologizing BOTH sides...Cheers!


Replies to: "Sorry this took so long...work beckoned..."

  • 22nd-most important catholic figure in No. Indiana to boycott commencement [LINK] - Chris94 - 6:25pm 3/25/09 (58) [View All]
    • I always think of the Monty Python song "Every Sperm is Sacred" when the stem cell argument starts [LINK] - ND_in_ATL - 11:10pm 3/25/09
    • Interesting how you don't mock Islamic believers like you do Catholics. [NT] - Killshot - 10:12pm 3/25/09
      • And Jewish people have a green light to make jokes about Jewish people - Chris94 - 11:27pm 3/25/09
        • I thought you were a devout follower of Obama, the great uniter, no? - TheIrishHammer - 4:51am 3/26/09
      • Why mock pagans they're already going to hell? - Hibakusha - 11:02pm 3/25/09
    • Are you aware that adult stem cells work better than embryo stem cells? - StoneFingers - 9:25pm 3/25/09
      • This is an anti-stem cell guy disagreeing. [NT] [LINK] - NDFaninNJ - 10:31am 3/26/09
        • Where do you see a disagreement? - StoneFingers - 11:22am 3/26/09
          • Actually, he said "could" work, not "can" work. [NT] - NDFaninNJ - 11:36am 3/26/09
      • Are you aware that, if they did, there would be no issue? - Chris94 - 11:25pm 3/25/09
        • Astounding - StoneFingers - 11:38pm 3/25/09
      • Depends on a case by case basis - ND_in_ATL - 11:00pm 3/25/09
        • That doesn't seem to be true anymore [LINK] - StoneFingers - 11:26pm 3/25/09
    • Yeah, once you decide to rip a child from mom's womb, you gotta be considerate of others... [NT] - GOAT - 7:05pm 3/25/09
    • It's time to embrace the fact that you and Mac, to name a couple, are not Catholic. - TheIrishHammer - 6:37pm 3/25/09
      • I guess we'll have plenty of time to work out who is right and wrong in Purgatory...See you there! [NT] - ND_in_ATL - 11:01pm 3/25/09
        • I am destined to sit on the right hand of the Father........ - TheIrishHammer - 4:52am 3/26/09
        • I hear the board ops there.... - ripperduck - 2:11am 3/26/09
        • I love Purgatory...idiot Prods think it doesn't exist. I laugh at them while I count my Indulgences! [NT] - Hibakusha - 11:04pm 3/25/09
    • The opposition to stem cell research is comically ridiculous. It is actually anti-life. - NDFaninNJ - 6:32pm 3/25/09
      • Ridiculous assertion...The Church absolutely does not want to waste embryos... - GOAT - 6:58pm 3/25/09
        • Well, the IVF process creates extra embryos and preventing stem cell research wastes them - NDFaninNJ - 7:04pm 3/25/09
          • So don't waste them in the first place, right?... - GOAT - 7:09pm 3/25/09
            • So, everyone that goes through IVF should have 8 kids, pick one and give the rest away? - NDFaninNJ - 7:18pm 3/25/09
              • No, they should not participate in IVF at all. - SouthCarolinaIrish - 8:27pm 3/25/09
                • This is perhaps the stupidest church stance since Galileo - Chris94 - 11:29pm 3/25/09
                  • Re: This is perhaps the stupidest church stance since Galileo - SouthCarolinaIrish - 9:41am 3/26/09
                    • The concept of "believing" that which you don't believe is ridiculous. - NDFaninNJ - 10:03am 3/26/09
                      • It's called faith. [NT] - SouthCarolinaIrish - 1:51pm 3/26/09
                      • It's called faith. [NT] - SouthCarolinaIrish - 1:51pm 3/26/09
                  • Galileo's harshest critics were his fellow scientists... - GOAT - 12:18am 3/26/09
                    • Seriously? - JacksSmirkingRevenge - 7:44am 3/26/09
                      • Absolutely... - GOAT - 9:26am 3/26/09
                        • You are insane - McSweeney - 1:59pm 3/26/09
                          • Gallileo taught as fact that the Sun was the Center of the Universe... - GOAT - 4:43pm 3/26/09
                        • Two things: - JacksSmirkingRevenge - 9:40am 3/26/09
                          • Re: Two things: - GOAT - 10:15am 3/26/09
                            • Uh . . . what? - JacksSmirkingRevenge - 12:47pm 3/26/09
                              • Sorry this took so long...work beckoned... - GOAT - 3:30pm 3/26/09
                                • Wrong. [LINK] - JacksSmirkingRevenge - 4:45pm 3/26/09
                                  • Wrong yerself...my issue was that most of his peers thought he was fulla shit... - GOAT - 5:06pm 3/26/09
                                    • Bullshit. - JacksSmirkingRevenge - 5:12pm 3/26/09
                                  • Addendum: [LINK] - JacksSmirkingRevenge - 4:57pm 3/26/09
                                    • Wow, that's a revelation...which proves exactly what?... - GOAT - 5:02pm 3/26/09
                                      • When have I ever stated "he was not properly cared for?" - JacksSmirkingRevenge - 5:08pm 3/26/09
                                        • Galileo was not convicted of "heresy" and that is FACT... - GOAT - 5:25pm 3/26/09
                                          • More bullshit. Or should I say goatshit. - JacksSmirkingRevenge - 5:53pm 3/26/09
                                            • Such vulgarity suggests that you are losing all sense of objectivity... - GOAT - 12:33am 3/27/09
                                              • More bullshit. It's all you got. - JacksSmirkingRevenge - 7:26am 3/27/09
                                                • Oh, I don't have to disprove yer Seamus theory... - GOAT - 10:43am 3/27/09
                                                  • Not surprised. It's no more idiotic than your statement that scientists pushed for Galileo's death [NT] - JacksSmirkingRevenge - 5:29pm 3/27/09
                                                    • Oh, don't sell yerself short, your statement is way more idiotic... - GOAT - 6:11pm 3/27/09
                      • Atomic wedgie... - MAS - 8:16am 3/26/09
                        • That sounds like Hell. [IMAGE] - JacksSmirkingRevenge - 8:29am 3/26/09
                • Well get IVF banned, and then we can talk about banning stem cell research - ND_in_ATL - 11:03pm 3/25/09
                  • This is the exact right result. For now, it is inexcusable (and anti-life) to not use the stem cells [NT] - NDFaninNJ - 9:43am 3/26/09
                  • If interested, see reply to Chris94 above.* [NT] - SouthCarolinaIrish - 9:43am 3/26/09
              • Yes...let's make sure the embryo is not considered human life...no awful outcome there... - GOAT - 7:33pm 3/25/09
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