Your point is unclear. Can you elaborate? Why do I "need to deal with" polls on religious belief?

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Your point is unclear. Can you elaborate? Why do I "need to deal with" polls on religious belief?

Author: NedoftheHill (44741 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 5:53 pm on Jun 17, 2021

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Church Doctrine is Church Doctrine. Polling over the last few decades is entirely irrelevant to that. I assume you agree with this. So, what point are you trying to make regarding polling? There is no "both sides of the debate" when it comes to Doctrine. There is only those who embrace the entirety of Catholic Doctrine, and those who do not...and the latter do not speak for the former. Meanwhile, Catholic Doctrine abides independently of all of that.

Side point: I look at this not as a rights vs. rights case. The civil/secular right of homosexuals to engage in homosexual behavior was never questioned or challenged by the Church. Rather, this was a power vs. rights case. The issue was whether gay activists could use the power of government to coerce a religion to condone the views which were antithetical to the religion's doctrine. (You can argue with me on this, but even liberal justices agree with me.) Today, rights won out over powers, which is as it should be, of course. The sole purpose of a right is to stop the exercise of power against that right.

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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.

Replies to: "Your point is unclear. Can you elaborate? Why do I "need to deal with" polls on religious belief?"

Unanimous. - Curly1918 - 12:10pm 6/17/21 (28) [View All]
- Victory #1 9-0. Clear message to LGTBQ et al - “Back off religious rights”. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 3:05pm 6/17/21
  - Somewhere Chris is weeping uncontrollably, but still hoping Juneteenth is - ColeyO - 4:56pm 6/17/21
    - You can sit this one out if you wish...or join in with your thoughts. [NT] - TyroneIrish - 5:36pm 6/17/21
      - News flash: I don't need your permission for anything., so pi** off [NT] - ColeyO - 6:00pm 6/17/21
        Don't get so upset...just inviting you to join in on this topic. [NT] - TyroneIrish - 8:50pm 6/17/21
  - You should temper your enthusiasm over this ruling...the issue of "Gay Rights" is by no means [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 4:49pm 6/17/21
    - Do you categorize all people or just the gay ones? "those people" I am positive you just hurt - IrishMac - 5:44pm 6/17/21
      - Thank you for that...we're talking about "People" here, who have a distinguishing characteristic. - TyroneIrish - 8:57pm 6/17/21
        No one has suggested people with that "distinguishing characteristic" don't have human rights. - NedoftheHill - 9:42pm 6/17/21
    - Catholics are accepting of "those people." Only the choices some people make are problematic. - NedoftheHill - 5:09pm 6/17/21
      - It's not like all those people surveyed over decades are oblivious to the issues...they fully - TyroneIrish - 5:19pm 6/17/21
        Your point is unclear. Can you elaborate? Why do I "need to deal with" polls on religious belief? - NedoftheHill - 5:53pm 6/17/21
        A better phrasing (by me) would have been "you should...", but the message is still the same, the [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 9:35pm 6/17/21
        Your link-src on Doctrine is "not suitable nor eligible to teach Catholic theology" per JPII. Nice. - NedoftheHill - 10:52pm 6/17/21
        If our Pope can say "Who am I to judge" when it comes to gays, why can't I dissent from current - TyroneIrish - 1:01am 6/18/21
        The Pope won't judge people. Not his role. He does judge doctrine & through doctrine, behavior. - NedoftheHill - 11:19pm 6/20/21
        
        there's no debate, it is settled [NT] - Hank the Tank - 5:52pm 6/17/21
      - Exactly. Polls are only as good as the question asked. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 5:11pm 6/17/21
    - The issue of gay rights trumping religious rights has most certainly been clarified - BaronVonZemo - 4:55pm 6/17/21
      - I get that you don't like the poll results...but "The Catholic Church" is not unified against the - TyroneIrish - 5:35pm 6/17/21
        I assume you put "The Catholic Church" in quotes so you can blur some lines somewhere? - NedoftheHill - 6:09pm 6/17/21
        The quotation marks are used to emphasize that there is no consensus within the Church on the issue - TyroneIrish - 9:55pm 6/17/21
        All of those statements are either inaccurate or irrelevent. - NedoftheHill - 11:02pm 6/17/21
        Take a closer look at my post)s)...I said that the Church's stand on the LGBTQ community "is" - TyroneIrish - 12:43am 6/18/21
        
        Very nicely said. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 9:08pm 6/17/21
        
        The Catholic Church is not unified against the, but they are of a libleral slant [NT] - Hank the Tank - 5:55pm 6/17/21
        
        Welcome to the all appeasing progressives of today's society. - IrishMac - 5:47pm 6/17/21
        "Things were so much easier when..."...that IMO typifies the non-progressive view...not unlike the - TyroneIrish - 10:27pm 6/17/21