You are a vortex of wasted time. Saying it's "complicated" and discussing research on Gender

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You are a vortex of wasted time. Saying it's "complicated" and discussing research on Gender

Author: TakethetrainKnute (32922 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 7:48 pm on Apr 15, 2024

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Dysphoria has nothing at all to do with the unfairness that is playing out for women in athletic competition. Men can live as women if they wish. Competing as women should not be allowed.

It is offensive to pretend something is complicated that is not. Lia Thomas competing as a woman should have been stopped. What happened above should have been stopped.

It was fundamentally unfair to the women involved.

de Varona's position (and yours apparently) is nice on paper. "Hey, it's complicated and we need to consider the trans person."

Consider all you like, as I said above...practically, competition can't ("should never" since it's already happening despite your and de Varona's pie in the sky position) be allowed until you can INSURE that there is zero competitive advantage for the chemically (physically?) altered biological male.

That is what is right under de Varona's premise. When do you think that will be? How would anybody truly know? AI going to make the determination for us? What should be done until then?

Replies to: "You are a vortex of wasted time. Saying it's "complicated" and discussing research on Gender"

Can someone offer a defense for THIS? [LINK] - Curly1918 - 12:59pm 4/15/24 (78) [View All]
- Yeah, I consider this akin to doping in athletics. Should not be allowed. [NT] - Hibakusha - 10:23am 4/16/24
- Chris, Frank and Domer endorse this. [NT] - WestCoastIrishFan - 2:49pm 4/15/24
  - Endorse what? Trans athletes with a biological advantage participating in women’s events? - Frank L - 3:58pm 4/15/24
    - you have no issue calling anyone that voted for Trump a cultist. Since you voted for Biden, I get - WestCoastIrishFan - 5:56pm 4/15/24
      - I never said anyone that has voted for Orange is a cultist. - Frank L - 6:19pm 4/15/24
        I will say this... - NedoftheHill - 8:20pm 4/15/24
        "Kids" don't get Gender Surgery...they get reversible puberty blockers...IF deemed appropriate...as [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 11:15pm 4/15/24
        
        Very well said - WoodstockIrish - 10:31pm 4/15/24
        Agreed. Easy call. (It's an "easy call" b/c of the Left, but they don't see they're doing it to... - NedoftheHill - 11:18pm 4/15/24
        See I think it’s an easy call the other way. Orange is completely unfit morally, temperament wise, - Frank L - 11:29pm 4/15/24
        Body of work - WoodstockIrish - 7:52am 4/16/24
        You need to watch the State of the Union speech…JB’s ad hoc jousting - TyroneIrish - 10:08am 4/16/24
        
        I think the GOP and the DNC are driving the Ford Constitution towards the cliff. - NedoftheHill - 11:47pm 4/15/24
        A multitude of former Cabinet members, Aides and Congressional Leaders saw DJT perform already.... - TyroneIrish - 12:17am 4/16/24
        
        I have more than a few friends that feel the same way which is why I don’t lump all into that - Frank L - 8:32pm 4/15/24
    - What’s the term?…oh yeah, he ain’t a bag of brains. [NT] - Domer From Hell - 4:18pm 4/15/24
- Why is it not empathy to encourage these people to seek help instead of acting out? - Curly1918 - 2:14pm 4/15/24
  - Because the Alphabet Mafia has aggressively claimed them as part of their "community." - jakers - 3:52pm 4/15/24
    - This actually makes perfect sense. They are all this way for the same reason. [NT] - Curly1918 - 4:24pm 4/15/24
  - They are all insane in need of treatment. [NT] - PaND - 2:29pm 4/15/24
    - And the Left denies that treatment. Shameful. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 2:34pm 4/15/24
      - It is, the people who defend this crap have a lot of blame here also. [NT] - PaND - 2:35pm 4/15/24
- Perverted? [NT] - ColeyO - 1:49pm 4/15/24
- Nope. [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 1:35pm 4/15/24
- I cannot.Some of the worst running form I have ever seen, but they still won. [NT] - LanceManion - 1:22pm 4/15/24
  - They lost. He won. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 2:32pm 4/15/24
    - In this case, he is "they" and the women are the "she." [NT] - LanceManion - 3:25pm 4/15/24
      - Makes perfect sense...to any person who has difficulty perceiving reality. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 3:27pm 4/15/24
        This is true. [NT] - LanceManion - 4:28pm 4/15/24
- I agree with Donna De Varona's perspective on this issue...not just for swimming, but all sports [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 1:21pm 4/15/24
  - Except it's not actually complicated: compete as the sex assigned at birth. - iairishcheeks - 3:21pm 4/15/24
    - He believes that a man in a dress is a woman. [NT] - PaND - 3:37pm 4/15/24
    - Read more...especially what Donna De Varona has to say about this... - TyroneIrish - 3:29pm 4/15/24
      - Why do you keep repeating this? De Varona says it's "nuanced" and "complicated"... - TakethetrainKnute - 4:30pm 4/15/24
        It's okay to read what others have to say...it's call "Critical Thinking"...don't be afraid to be - TyroneIrish - 5:26pm 4/15/24
        We have the Special Olympics, we can have the Trans Olympics as well (dominated by men). - iairishcheeks - 5:49pm 4/15/24
        Can people who erroneously but strongly believe they're handicapped compete in the Special Olympics? [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 6:52pm 4/15/24
        
        I agree with Ms De Varona's position...read what she has to say...and she definitely is not - TyroneIrish - 6:20pm 4/15/24
        This is not even what's good for trans people, that's the pathological aspect. - iairishcheeks - 1:12am 4/16/24
        Can you be a bit more vague?...how about citing Ms De Varona's statements and commenting on them. [NT] - TyroneIrish - 11:17am 4/16/24
        How about some critical thinking on your part. - iairishcheeks - 1:06pm 4/16/24
        Any hatred is due to a lack of understanding and empathy...read more about the causes of GD - TyroneIrish - 7:42pm 4/16/24
        You're literally too stupid to argue with. [NT] - iairishcheeks - 8:11pm 4/16/24
        
        Nonsensical response per usual. "Trans people are people". I addressed what De Varona had to say - TakethetrainKnute - 5:47pm 4/15/24
        This is beginning to get exasperating...Ms De Varona...AND myself...agree that allowing ALL Trans - TyroneIrish - 5:57pm 4/15/24
        Beginning? Among other things you are misrepresenting Ms. de Varona's position as it would relate - TakethetrainKnute - 6:20pm 4/15/24
        You're not 'listening'...i've said repeatedly that I agree with Ms De Varona's position...which you - TyroneIrish - 7:14pm 4/15/24
        You are a vortex of wasted time. Saying it's "complicated" and discussing research on Gender - TakethetrainKnute - 7:48pm 4/15/24
        Don't forget that I'm repeating the words of an Olympic Swimming Champion who is all-in on seeing - TyroneIrish - 12:54am 4/16/24
        Yawn. No one has forgotten that you're repeating de Varona's position...without fully accounting - TakethetrainKnute - 9:02am 4/16/24
        If you'd read my posts you'd know that I do not support allowing trans women to compete - TyroneIrish - 11:38am 4/16/24
        And now we arrive at your real agenda, unsurprisingly. - jakers - 2:12pm 4/16/24
        
        It's only complicated because you're making it complicated. - iairishcheeks - 6:01pm 4/15/24
        Here's an overview of some of the research that has been conducted wrt Gender Dysphoria... [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 6:59pm 4/15/24
        
        You're ignoring a great deal of research that forms the basis for the current diagnosis and - TyroneIrish - 6:10pm 4/15/24
      - No thanks, I believe in science. [NT] - iairishcheeks - 3:32pm 4/15/24
        Then you'll appreciate the opinion of true scientific professionals on this issue [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 3:44pm 4/15/24
        Does this have something at all to do with competitive fairness? You, of course, know the answer. [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 4:03pm 4/15/24
        That is the point. There is a clear biological advantage. - Frank L - 4:23pm 4/15/24
  - If someone tells you they can see with their ears and hear with their eyes is that mental illness? - Curly1918 - 2:18pm 4/15/24
    - The same professionals who treated you have developed protocols for Gender Dysphoria... - TyroneIrish - 3:32pm 4/15/24
      - The modern psychiatric industry is in denial of the etiology of mental illness. - Curly1918 - 4:29pm 4/15/24
        Why should anyone take your opinion, as opposed to dedicated and caring professionals? [NT] - TyroneIrish - 6:05pm 4/15/24
  - Have you, personally, ever competed at anything at a high level? - Hensou - 1:33pm 4/15/24
    - I'm sure jimbasil has an opening as relief - ColeyO - 1:59pm 4/15/24
    - Stick to the issue...read what Donna De Varona has to say about it...in essence, she's advocating [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 1:48pm 4/15/24
      - Stick to the issue? The issue is whether biological males should compete in women's Track and Field - Hensou - 2:14pm 4/15/24
        It's not about me...it's about Trans Athletes...read what Donna De Varona has to say...as well as - TyroneIrish - 3:35pm 4/15/24
        The psychological issue does not remove the biological advantage, [NT] - Hensou - 3:44pm 4/15/24
        Once more...read what she has to say...you'll learn stuff you currently are unaware of... - TyroneIrish - 6:17pm 4/15/24
        I have read it you condescending fool. She refutes nothing I said. [NT] - Hensou - 7:39pm 4/15/24
        She...and I...agree that without much better screening, Trans athletes should not be competing with - TyroneIrish - 11:25pm 4/15/24
        Donna and you are both quacks on this issue. - Hensou - 7:13am 4/16/24
        From your lips to God's ear...thanks for sharing your thoughts. [NT] - TyroneIrish - 11:43am 4/16/24
- We're told that this isn't that big of a deal. It's not happening all that much. [NT] - TampaIrish - 1:18pm 4/15/24
- Every Democrat voted for that. [NT] - Cole - 1:04pm 4/15/24
  - "Hey, they're not perfect". [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 1:54pm 4/15/24
    - " there are some good people" [NT] - ColeyO - 2:01pm 4/15/24