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Your opinion is in the minority of Catholics when it comes to the leading issue for Conservatives...

Author: TyroneIrish (20411 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)
Posted at 5:00 pm on Oct 19, 2024
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...Abortion...80% or more believe that "Under Certain Circumstances" that choice should be legal....here are a couple of relevant excerpts and quotations from Catholic Leaders in the attached overview...
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Surveys conducted by a number of polling organizations indicate that between 16% and 22% of American Catholic voters agree with Church policy that abortion should be illegal in all cases; the rest of the respondents held positions ranging from support for legal abortions in certain restricted circumstances to an unqualified acceptance of abortion in all cases.
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Some reasons for dissenting from the church's position on the legality of abortion, other than finding abortion morally acceptable, include "I am personally opposed to abortion, but I think the Church is concentrating its energies too much on abortion rather than on social action"[90] or "I do not wish to impose my views on others".[91][92][93][94]
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According to 2011 report from Public Religion Research Institute, 68% of American Catholics believe that one can still be a "good Catholic" while disagreeing with the church's position on abortion, approximately as many as members of other religious groups.[12] On this long-standing phenomenon of a number of Catholics disagreeing with the Church's official position on abortion, Pope John Paul II commented: "It is sometimes claimed that dissent from the Magisterium is totally compatible with being a "good Catholic" and poses no obstacle to the reception of the sacraments. This is a grave error". In what the Los Angeles Times called a key admonition, he added: "It has never been easy to accept the Gospel teaching in its entirety, and it never will be".[95][96] Many, however, suggest that this is the problem, that some of the strongest anti-abortion advocates seem unconcerned about critical social issues in the complete spectrum of the Church's moral teaching.[97] US Cardinal Bernardin and Pope Francis have been prominent proponents of this "seamless garment" approach.[98] The US Bishops have called on Catholics to weigh all the threats to life and human dignity before placing their vote:[99] the tag "intrinsic evil" can lead to an over-simplification of issues.[100] In his column in the Jesuit magazine America, Professor John F. Kavanaugh, S.J., observed:[101]

Most people open to the facts recognize that a human life has begun by the end of the first trimester of a pregnancy. It is at this point that some common ground may be reached to protect unborn human life. There is political will at hand to ensure such protection; but as long as the extreme positions hold sway, no action will be taken.

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Forgiveness of women who abort

Apart from indicating in its canon law that automatic excommunication does not apply to women who abort because of grave fear or due to grave inconvenience, the Catholic Church, without making any such distinctions, assures the possibility of forgiveness for women who have had an abortion. Pope John Paul II wrote:

I would now like to say a special word to women who have had an abortion. The Church is aware of the many factors which may have influenced your decision, and she does not doubt that in many cases it was a painful and even shattering decision. The wound in your heart may not yet have healed. Certainly what happened was and remains terribly wrong. But do not give in to discouragement and do not lose hope. Try rather to understand what happened and face it honestly. If you have not already done so, give yourselves over with humility and trust to repentance. The Father of mercies is ready to give you his forgiveness and his peace in the Sacrament of Reconciliation.[69]
On the occasion of the Extraordinary Jubilee of Mercy in 2015, Pope Francis announced that all priests (during the Jubilee year – ending November 20, 2016) will be allowed in the Sacrament of Penance to refrain from enforcing the penalty of excommunication for abortion, which had been reserved to bishops and certain priests who were given such mandate by their bishop.[70] This policy was made permanent by an apostolic letter titled Misericordia et misera (Mercy and Misery), which was issued on November 21, 2016.[71][72]

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IMO, and that of a majority of Catholics, the Church is understanding of extreme pressures placed upon women in Certain Circumstances...and does not want to "cast out" women who have chosen to have an abortion. I suggest you spend time absorbing the comments made and discern, through "Prudential Judgement" how Catholics can vote Democrat, in the face of a Godless alternative...Donald Trump.

Let's not forget that America is not a "Catholic" nation...and the Gallup Poll, dating back to 1975, has found that only 21% or less, of the population believe Abortion should be illegal in ALL circumstances...even more reason to not ban abortion...anywhere in the country.


Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_abortion#

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Replies to: "Your opinion is in the minority of Catholics when it comes to the leading issue for Conservatives..."

  • For those Catholics who plan to vote for Trump, pay heed -- [NT] [LINK] - conorlarkin - 2:18pm 10/19/24 (47) [View All]
    • As a Catholic, I will vote against Harris. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 6:02pm 10/19/24
      • Absolutely. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 12:50am 10/20/24
      • As a Catholic you think a rapist with 34 felonies (so far) is the better choice - Death - 7:25pm 10/19/24
        • Anyone knows that the cut off is 35… - BaronVonZemo - 9:10am 10/20/24
          • When challenged, Baron always hides under the covers...DJT was convicted of violating [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 10:19am 10/20/24
        • Jesus didn't say anything about those felonies. - NedoftheHill - 8:54pm 10/19/24
          • The difference: no one claimed He did [NT] - Chris94 - 8:41am 10/20/24
          • Interestingly, we condemn evil actions like killing life and rape, & understand God is the judge of - BaronVonZemo - 1:43am 10/20/24
            • It's more than "Interesting" that Baron has no hesitation judging who the "Practicing" Catholics are - TyroneIrish - 11:50am 10/20/24
          • Cool, so you're ok supporting a rapist - Death - 9:08pm 10/19/24
            • . [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 1:24am 10/20/24
            • By the way, pretty sure Trump hasn't been convicted of rape. Death is a liar, again. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 9:56pm 10/19/24
              • The presiding judge says differently [LINK] - Death - 10:30pm 10/19/24
                • Your link (anti-Trump WaPo) confirms that a jury chose not to convict him of rape. Heh. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 1:29am 10/20/24
                  • I see the education system has failed you as well - Death - 2:25am 10/20/24
                • I accept your apology. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 10:50pm 10/19/24
                  • I didn't apologize, I provided proof that you support a rapist - Death - 11:03pm 10/19/24
                    • You voluntarily provided a link confirming Ned's assertion. You're practically groveling. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 1:49am 10/20/24
                      • A judge confirming Trump is a rapist and you still live in denial - Death - 2:26am 10/20/24
                        • Baron, Ned and all the MAGAs live by DJT's Code..."It doesn't matter what you say, just keep - TyroneIrish - 10:31am 10/20/24
                          • Of course - Death - 2:03pm 10/20/24
                            • For most MAGAs that's true, but for those two, IMO it's a combo of Anger, Fear and Hate for anything - TyroneIrish - 1:47pm 10/21/24
              • Only the timing and state in which the assault occurred saved DJT from such a conviction, [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 10:20pm 10/19/24
              • Denial doesn't change facts snowflake - Death - 9:58pm 10/19/24
                • You are the emotional one here, not me. You are quite frantic about all of this. We all see it. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 10:53pm 10/19/24
                  • Sure snowflake - Death - 11:05pm 10/19/24
                    • You should cool down Death. Such anger and hatred! It's not good for you. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 1:33am 10/20/24
                      • How are you morons so bad at analysis? - Death - 2:28am 10/20/24
            • And you are ok supporting murder & destruction of the Republic. By the way, I don't support Trump. - NedoftheHill - 9:53pm 10/19/24
              • The United States is a Representative Democracy - Death - 10:09pm 10/19/24
                • My vote will be my best attempt to keep it that way. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 10:52pm 10/19/24
              • Do you ever tell the truth? - Death - 9:56pm 10/19/24
                • Which part do you think is a lie??? [NT] - NedoftheHill - 10:51pm 10/19/24
                  • Everything you post, even after being proven wrong - Death - 11:08pm 10/19/24
      • You will vote for cruelty, pettiness, dishonesty, corruption, and fear. - conorlarkin - 7:06pm 10/19/24
        • Sounds like the Harris Platform. [NT] - Hensou - 7:55am 10/20/24
    • Re: For those Catholics who plan to vote for Trump, pay heed -- - Sempernd - 4:12pm 10/19/24
      • Thank you Your Holiness for that clarification. [NT] - Frank L - 12:54pm 10/20/24
      • Luckily you don’t get to determine who is, and who is not, a Catholic [NT] - Chris94 - 7:25pm 10/19/24
        • Right, you're a Catholic based on a faithful effort to try to follow all of the Church tenants. - BaronVonZemo - 2:02am 10/20/24
        • Neither do you. [NT] - Hensou - 8:37pm 10/19/24
          • Where did he say he did? [NT] - Death - 8:39pm 10/19/24
            • Where did he say he didn’t? [NT] - Hensou - 8:45pm 10/19/24
              • Reading Comprehension got you down? - Death - 8:57pm 10/19/24
                • Nobody is buying your repetitive shtick - Hensou - 9:21pm 10/19/24
                  • Haha, stay mad - Death - 9:42pm 10/19/24
      • Your opinion is in the minority of Catholics when it comes to the leading issue for Conservatives... [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 5:00pm 10/19/24
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