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Don't be misled by Baron...here's the truth (in bold text) vis-a-vis his misinformation and outright

Author: TyroneIrish (21734 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)
Posted at 8:40 pm on Dec 15, 2024
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lying...It'll take a bit of time to fill in, so bear with me through some "Edits"...
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Nutshell:
The masks, social distancing, and shut down were BS. There was never scientific justification for it, and I said so.
;I've shown the Forum...and Baron...studies that justify using Masks, SD and Shutdowns...two examples are (1) BVZ's own "MIT Study" that he posted which outlined how much time could be spent in a closed room...like a schoolroom...with various masks...(e.g. N95 vs. Cloth), and (2) a Real World Study of Schools in Boston who used masking during COVID and others who did not...Result: ...clear support for Masking in Schools, and using "Difference in Difference" statistical analysis

I encouraged the vaccine for adults and those at risk regardless of age. There was no good data to ever say that healthy young children should get it (they had a higher risk from the vaccine than the COVID). There was never any data at all to suggest that the vaccine prevented spread but authorities lied to us all and used that false claim as a reason to FORCE people to get the vaccine (or lose their livelihood which gave them no choice).
Any human being...at any age...can become infected with COVID...and Spread it to others...therefore, given the proven safety of our vaccines and the virulence of COVID, it makes perfect sense to recommend that all persons, regardless of age, get vaccinated...with the sole exception of those with 'contra-indications' for the vaccine...also, voluminous data has been published documenting the effectiveness of the COVID vaccines for a) reducing transmission and b) protection from serious illness or death...Baron is flat out lying here.

I believe in the vaccine in the proper patient population, but I NEVER approve of coercion being used on anyone to get a shot that they don’t want….that is ASSAULT.
Our government...national or local...has only required personnel to be vaccinated who are critically needed HC workers (Physicians, Nurses, Staff) or in roles like Police, Fire, Military, etc. so as to maintain order...keep public service functions operating...and the nation safe. This requirement is not Assault...it's a Prudent Measure to ensure the Public Good...Baron playing politics with the public's health.,/i>

The medical community was mislead by officials, the country was intentionally feared with manipulated statistics (ex # of those who died FROM COVID. Vs # of those who died WITH COVID) and the appointment of politically selected people to re review charts and change diagnoses that the treating Dr’s made in order to juice numbers.
There has never been a need to 'manipulate statistics' to convey the danger of COVID...studies have shown that the death rate of COVID vs Flu varied in the U.S. from a 1:1 ration for Hawaii, to between 3:1 and 7:1 for the rest of the country...plus the 'Contagion Rate' (R0) of COVID is much higher than the Flu. Note that on the Politics side of things, Florida, under RDS purposely left out deaths from COVID among all the "Snowbirds" living for months at a time in that state during the pandemic...thus skewing their data.

Fauci……he knew better….he even said so in a 60 Minutes interview before the politics became involved.
Dr. Fauci never uttered a falsehood regarding COVID...upon his retirement, he was lauded by members of the Infectious Disease Society of America for his tireless efforts to keep Americans and others around the world, safe from this disease...and those Physicians, Nurses, etc. in the IDSA don't suffer fools...(like Baron)...at all. I've addressed all of Baron's misstatements regarding Dr. Fauci and have no problem repeating them if asked.

COVID is no joke, but it got used to persist with a SHUT DOWN long after it was known to be unnecessary because provided political opportunity for the Left.
To suggest that COVID was USED for anything is a delusion. This was a global catastrophe and our HC agencies were totally focused on keeping all citizens a safe and healthy as possible. Baron appears to be evidencing some unknown psychological problems...one of which looks a lot like Paranoia, given his never ending "battle" against all things "Left"

Regarding what I would have done what we have always done and what Sweden did (and was saying that also).
Sweden had the highest death rate per capital of any Scandinavian country, and ended up having to ditch its "Open" strategy and employ its own Lockdowns and restrictions on group sizes indoors, etc.
Isolate the sick, not the healthy. No Shut Down past the first month or two to “blunt the curve” to prevent overwhelming hospitals.
Sounds like Baron echoing the "Great Barrington Declaration" which had NO PLANNING AT ALL for how to a) Identify all the "vulnerable" people, b) where to house them c) how to care for them, d) how long to continue the program, or e) how/how much to allot for funding this program...in the midst of a raging pandemic without any vaccines available...and no example of the strategy having ever been employed before...basically, a Fool's Errand, if not outright Insanity...

Vaccine recommended for all adults and high risk people - but not forced on anyone.
Explained above

No school closings past the “blunting of the curve”, no healthy general population mask wearing (placebos), no social distancing,
We've learned much from our School Closures/Openings...need to have vaccines available...need proper ventilation and social distancing...as well as Masking

No false claims about the vaccine - just say….”we really aren’t sure, so we are going to be cautious about [insert whatever related topic] rather than lying.
No Government Agency ever lied about COVID, which would require (like FOX News) Knowing the Truth but saying the opposite...didn't happen...another misstatement by Baron...assuming he knows the difference between what is true and false.

No false statistics….same standards for all reporting and no changing diagnoses to fit a political need.
Here we've learned that the U.S. reporting system is not where it needs to be...the CDC relied on state systems that varied greatly in how effective they were in gathering data...and then reporting it...case in point...some states were still using FAX machines to transmit/receive data...perhaps another example of Baron's Paronoia.,/i>

In other words….handle it much like we did H1N1.
Sounds a lot like Trump..."COVID is just like the Flu...it'll go away when the warm weather comes"

I won’t even get into the data that has come out on PAXLOVID right now, but remove Pharma from such influence in the FDA CDC and NIH.
PAXLOVID human testing was so successful that those tests were halted early in order to get the much needed treatment out to the public ASAP...apparently, Baron doesn't believe in the "Do No Harm" part of profession's oath.



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Replies to: "Don't be misled by Baron...here's the truth (in bold text) vis-a-vis his misinformation and outright"

  • Horrifying, isn't it? Posting it per Elon's request. This explains why the left became warmongers [LINK] - Eli - 2:51pm 12/15/24 (21) [View All]
    • DEM efforts to maintain power have nothing to do with warmongering - Curly1918 - 6:07pm 12/15/24
      • BTW you mischaracterized cold war and Reagan's anti-communist strategy - Eli - 8:10pm 12/15/24
        • As your ideological hero John Mearsheimer wrote in The Tragedy of Great Power Politics, - Curly1918 - 8:46am 12/16/24
      • Traditionally R was peace mongering until W. D got us into WW I, II, Korean war, Vietnam War - Eli - 7:26pm 12/15/24
        • The best way to avoid war is to make the cost too high for our enemies AND... [LINK] - Curly1918 - 8:09am 12/16/24
        • Bob Dole on warmongering D party during VP debate 1976. [NT] [LINK] - Eli - 7:31pm 12/15/24
    • A health crisis offered the Left their best opportunity for taking control. And they magnified it w/ - BaronVonZemo - 4:00pm 12/15/24
      • Honest question..: - Domer From Hell - 4:07pm 12/15/24
        • I am no COVID denier nor am I an anti-vaxxer - BaronVonZemo - 4:30pm 12/15/24
          • I like your solution… - Domer From Hell - 4:46pm 12/15/24
            • Don't be misled by Baron...here's the truth (in bold text) vis-a-vis his misinformation and outright - TyroneIrish - 8:40pm 12/15/24
              • As usual, your post is full of lies. - jakers - 10:35pm 12/15/24
                • I included the phrase "...keep public service functions operating..", which covers many government [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 1:13am 12/16/24
                  • Hilarious word games. - jakers - 3:59pm 12/16/24
              • Your post is full of misconceptions. You're not a doctor, nor do you understand the science - MarkHarman - 10:18pm 12/15/24
                • My responses...(in bold text)... - TyroneIrish - 2:00am 12/16/24
                  • Then let me talk to your vaunted ID doctor about HCQ+ - MarkHarman - 2:36pm 12/16/24
                    • Go for it. [NT] - TyroneIrish - 12:29am 12/19/24
                • Well said! [NT] - jray - 11:00pm 12/15/24
            • Thnx-soc dist did NOT matter and Fauci admitted under oath that they simply made up the number 6 ft [LINK] - BaronVonZemo - 7:03pm 12/15/24
    • What a hypocrite. You worship a warmonger and you praise autocrats worldwide… - Domer From Hell - 3:43pm 12/15/24
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