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Don't be misled...do your own research...

Author: TyroneIrish (19866 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)
Posted at 11:18 pm on Dec 15, 2024
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...here's an excerpt from the attached article...but be sure to read all of it.
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There is no national database that compares crimes committed by immigration status. In fact, only one state – Texas – does so. That means there’s no national database that breaks down crimes committed by native-born citizens or immigrants, or those in the country illegally, making it difficult to confirm or dispute the president’s numbers.

What available studies do show, however, is that overall, crime rates are lower among immigrant groups than they are among native-born Americans.

Walter Ewing, an editor and writer for the American Immigration Council, a group that advocates for immigrants, puts it this way: “You can find any demographic group that you like and it’s going to include murderers. You can look at redheads and blondes and it’s going to include murders. But that’s not the point, the point is what the crime rates are,” he said.

Comparing overall crime rates for different groups is the best way to determine if a particular group poses a significantly greater threat than others.

“And if the likelihood is low, particularly compared to natives, then it’s disingenuous to claim they’re going to be a threat,” Ewing added.

Alex Nowrasteh, a senior immigration policy analyst with the libertarian Cato Institute, points to Texas as an example, since it’s the state with the best data on crimes committed and counted by immigration status and was the subject of a recent report he wrote showing that criminal conviction and arrest rates for immigrants were "well below" those of native-born Americans.

Undocumented immigrants make up just over 6 percent of the state's population, legal immigrants made up over 10 percent, and native-born Americans make up over 80 percent, according to the most recent American Community Survey data and the Center for Migration Studies.

Meanwhile, undocumented immigrants were convicted of 5.9 percent of all the homicides in Texas, legal immigrants were convicted of 3.8 percent of homicides, and native-born Americans were convicted of about 90 percent of all the homicides in Texas, according an analysis of 2015 Texas state data by Nowrasteh.

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If you can find more recent data that contradicts these findings, then be sure to post it...otherwise, face facts that we are better off welcoming much needed immigrants who want to live here peacefully and contribute to our economic growth.


Link: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fact-check-trumps-claims-illegal-immigrant-crime-rates/story?id=60311860

Replies to: "Don't be misled...do your own research..."

  • With "Mass Deportations" on the horizon...take a moment and listen to this song, especially those - TyroneIrish - 9:59pm 12/15/24 (55) [View All]
    • Do the right thing and join them, otherwise you are a horrible individual. [NT] - Protagonist - 10:05am 12/16/24
      • Over the last 20 years, my wife and I have joined other volunteers to serve tens of thousands of - TyroneIrish - 1:13pm 12/16/24
        • I definitely think some of them are hard working, but "hard pressed"... I don't think so. - Protagonist - 3:04pm 12/16/24
          • I agree with you, Pro...let's both contact our Reps and Senators and insist that they pass - TyroneIrish - 5:51pm 12/16/24
    • Our illegals are among the most exploited people on earth. [LINK] - Curly1918 - 9:35am 12/16/24
      • Did you read my linked Texas Tribune article on how Texas politicians talk a lot about - TyroneIrish - 1:06pm 12/16/24
    • You had the rules of law in many your posts. People, immigrants too, are subject to the rule of law. - Eli - 2:13am 12/16/24
      • Fortunately, in this country, our laws ensure that undocumented immigrants have rights as well... [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 1:05pm 12/17/24
      • You, the Chicom killer talking about the rule of law is rich to say the least. Buzz the eff off. [NT] - Frank L - 11:23pm 12/16/24
    • A few questions for you... - NedoftheHill - 2:07am 12/16/24
      • My replies... - TyroneIrish - 12:48pm 12/16/24
        • (1) You agree that there has been mass illegal immigration. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 8:34pm 12/16/24
          • I just said that..."Mass Un-Documented Immigration" of people who, by law, have been allowed to - TyroneIrish - 9:30pm 12/16/24
        • (2) No answer re aid. You obviously recognize that your analogy to historic immigration fails. - NedoftheHill - 8:34pm 12/16/24
          • You asked me a question...I gave you my response...sorry you don't get it. [NT] - TyroneIrish - 9:34pm 12/16/24
        • (3) You lie & say you support Church position on abortion. Here it is...please confirm or deny it... - NedoftheHill - 8:34pm 12/16/24
          • You haven't said a word regarding Trump's approach to "Mass Deportations"...i.e. his failure to - TyroneIrish - 5:46pm 12/18/24
          • I've posted more than once that the RCC has never taught that Personhood begins at conception...and [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 9:56pm 12/16/24
            • So, your position is that the definitive document on Catholic Doctrine gets Catholic Doctrine wrong. - NedoftheHill - 10:35pm 12/16/24
              • You continue to avoid the issue of Personhood...that Catechism paragraph says nothing about it... [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 1:13am 12/17/24
    • Say a prayer for Tyson Foods, The Cartels and Tren De Araqua. [NT] - iairishcheeks - 11:01pm 12/15/24
      • Don't be misled...do your own research... [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 11:18pm 12/15/24
        • Say a prayer for the human traffickers and fentanyl producers. [NT] - iairishcheeks - 11:46pm 12/15/24
          • You’re stuck in your pre-conceived opinion…read the link for what’s actually happening. [NT] - TyroneIrish - 12:32am 12/16/24
            • Wasn't ABC News in the news recently, what was it? I don't recall... [NT] - iairishcheeks - 1:05am 12/16/24
              • Yes, indeed...over a settlement regarding Trump's sexual assault against E. Jean Carroll... [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 11:51am 12/16/24
                • You seem to have a consistent problem distinguishing between criminal or civil statuites and codes - JarHead4ND - 1:20am 12/17/24
                  • Judge Merchan and the jury determined that DJT penetrated E. Jean Carroll's vagina with his finger - TyroneIrish - 2:50pm 12/17/24
                    • Please post your copy of the jury instructions regarding a finding of rape. - JarHead4ND - 10:29pm 12/17/24
                      • "Judge says E Jean Carroll allegation Trump raped her is ‘substantially true’ in court dismissal"... [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 12:26pm 12/18/24
                    • Okay: 1. You'll need a link for that claim; 2. Please post your copy of jury instructions t [NT] - JarHead4ND - 10:29pm 12/17/24
                    • Okay: 1. You'll need a link for that claim; 2. Please post your copy of jury instructions t [NT] - JarHead4ND - 10:29pm 12/17/24
                    • Heh, did they smell his finger or what was the evidence for that? [NT] - iairishcheeks - 2:55pm 12/17/24
                • Biden has been a destructive and despicable president, so answer your own question. - iairishcheeks - 4:33pm 12/16/24
                  • Biden has delivered legislation that benefits all Americans, while strengthening our critical - TyroneIrish - 6:17pm 12/16/24
                    • Sure, that's why Joe is -19 in job approval. [NT] - iairishcheeks - 8:08pm 12/16/24
                      • Joe's performance is already in the record books and it's a very good one...DJT's 2% margin was not - TyroneIrish - 10:07pm 12/16/24
                        • Who should we blame for The Big Guy's disastrous approval ranking? White women? - iairishcheeks - 2:15pm 12/17/24
                        • Yes Joe's performance is in the books as terrible - Buffaloirish - 11:23pm 12/16/24
    • Again, you do not speak for Catholics. - jakers - 10:47pm 12/15/24
      • Who made you the arbiter? [NT] - TyroneIrish - 11:21pm 12/15/24
        • Say a prayer for angel moms. [NT] - ELP - 12:00am 12/16/24
          • Same as Cheeks…stuck in your pre-conceived opinion… - TyroneIrish - 12:35am 12/16/24
            • You need to explain that to these angel moms. It will make them all feel better. You are such a fool [NT] - ELP - 8:03am 12/16/24
              • The data from Texas....the only state that tracks violent crime by immigration status...shows that [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 11:30am 12/16/24
                • Maybe we can export our violent criminals to Venezuela like they did to us. [NT] - iairishcheeks - 12:59pm 12/16/24
                  • One more time...the violent crime rate for undocumented immigrants is LESS than that of native born - TyroneIrish - 1:45pm 12/16/24
                    • Why don't you adopt a Tren De Aragua member, then let us know how that goes. [NT] - iairishcheeks - 2:25pm 12/16/24
                      • You're not listening...the violent crime rate among native born Americans is greater than that of - TyroneIrish - 6:19pm 12/16/24
                        • We should have dropped off violent citizens when we were picking up Tren De Aragua in Venezuela. [NT] - iairishcheeks - 8:09pm 12/16/24
                          • You mean like the "Sexual Assaulter-in-Chief"? ;-)... [NT] - TyroneIrish - 10:35pm 12/16/24
                            • Yeah, sure, due process be damned. [NT] - iairishcheeks - 2:54pm 12/17/24
                            • Nice deflection as usual and are you - Buffaloirish - 11:21pm 12/16/24
                              • Re: Nice deflection as usual and are you - Buffaloirish - 11:26pm 12/16/24
            • Are you including the crime of crossing the border illegally? [NT] - iairishcheeks - 1:09am 12/16/24
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