It’s the victims fault.

In the public relations video that re-emerged from 2019, Deputy Chief Kristine Larson - who heads the Equity and Human Rights Bureau - defended the fire department's use of DEI hiring practices.

She then addressed concerns that female firefighters may not be strong enough to carry a man out of a burning building, to which she simply responded: “He got himself in the wrong place if I have to carry him out.”

Gavin knew.