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That's a bold statement given it's never happened...and it runs counter to related theory and

Author: TyroneIrish (22892 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)
Posted at 2:36 am on Mar 4, 2025
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decisions...here's one view on the topic...
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“Ever since the Constitution has been written, it’s been recognized that the president’s power of pardoning is […] not so broad as to allow him to pardon himself.”

The things you need to know:

President Trump has made the claim that he has the power of self-pardon.

The text and spirit of the Constitution strongly suggest the contrary.

Ever since the Constitution was written, it’s been recognized that the president’s power of pardon is broad, but not so broad as to allow him to pardon himself.

This idea stems from a legal principal established over three centuries ago in Anglo-American law. That rule is that no person may be a judge in his or her own case.

The last time this issue was floated was right before the resignation of President Richard Nixon. The Department of Justice wrote that a president may not pardon himself.

This DOJ opinion is not binding in the courts. But the reasoning of the opinion—centering on this principal that no person may be a judge in his or her own case—is compelling.

If such a self-pardon were issued, it could be challenged in court as an abuse of the Constitution, a violation of the pardon power, and not valid. The courts would likely follow the reasoning of the Office of Legal Counsel that a president may not issue a self-pardon.

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The safer route would be for Trump to have Vance pardon him....oh, and you can be sure that the Dems would never run on the belief that Criminals can Pardon Themselves.

How did you get so twisted as to staunchly support a proven Felon, Rapist, Serial Sex Assaulter, Cheat...and Colluder with the nation's worst enemy to win an election...while holding yourself up as a moral, ethical and religious person?...that's not normal behavior, Ned.


Link: https://www.brookings.edu/articles/unpacked-can-a-president-pardon-himself/

Replies to: "That's a bold statement given it's never happened...and it runs counter to related theory and"

  • After watching J.D. Vance take center stage in Friday's ambush...I'm curious if it's part of a grand - TyroneIrish - 1:05am 3/3/25 (17) [View All]
    • Yeah...Trump hates being president. Do you hear yourself??? [NT] - NedoftheHill - 5:32pm 3/3/25
    • I'm curious as to why there are so many on this board who have never seen the elephant themselves - JarHead4ND - 4:38am 3/3/25
      • My post is about Trump exiting before his term is over and having Vance pardon him...comments? [NT] - TyroneIrish - 1:26pm 3/3/25
        • He can just pardon himself. No need to leave office early. - NedoftheHill - 5:31pm 3/3/25
          • DJT is a vengeful and lawless man who would use taxpayer money to hound innocent people with bogus - TyroneIrish - 6:58pm 3/3/25
            • Incorrect; the pardon power is reserved to POTUS. SCOTUS has no say. Regarding your other point... - NedoftheHill - 8:13pm 3/3/25
              • That's a bold statement given it's never happened...and it runs counter to related theory and [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 2:36am 3/4/25
                • Sounds like advocacy. No way SCOTUS touches that with a ten foot pole. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 10:12pm 3/4/25
              • you, Baron, Eli, MAS, m.harmon and others have zero awareness. As a group you have never gotten - jimbasil - 8:21pm 3/3/25
                • And of that crowd, Neddie is the moderate. [NT] - Frank L - 9:51pm 3/3/25
      • Oh, aligning with Putin and Russia is a good thing? I would think - jimbasil - 12:32pm 3/3/25
        • A couple of things Jim, my time in the military included two years+ in active combat and just whose - JarHead4ND - 4:00pm 3/3/25
          • FDR didn’t see it either. But he was a pretty effective wartime prez. - Frank L - 4:34pm 3/3/25
      • It’s precisely the opposite. By continuing to give the dictator what he wants, we ensure more of - Frank L - 8:04am 3/3/25
        • I hear you Frank. How does the war in Ukraine end? What can we do to punish Russia? A concern is - irish93 - 9:07am 3/3/25
          • By forcing Russians back to Russia. [NT] - jimbasil - 12:34pm 3/3/25
          • Game is over at this point. If we had signaled to Putin that we still support and supply Ukraine - Frank L - 9:36am 3/3/25

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