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Any noncitizen can face the same political detentions we associate with regimes abroad.

Author: conorlarkin (20790 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 6:11 pm on Mar 27, 2025
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Some keen insight from a NY Times piece:

"The footage of Rumeysa Ozturk’s arrest is a familiar sight for those of us who lived in countries with authoritarian regimes. In the video, Ozturk, a Turkish woman completing her Ph.D. studies at Tufts University, is approached on a sidewalk in Sommerville, Mass., by several plainclothes officers from the Department of Homeland Security while she was on her way to break her Ramadan fast with friends on Tuesday night. One hooded officer grabs her hands and arms as another officer, masked, approaches from her side. Clearly afraid, Ozturk is eventually handcuffed and taken to a black S.U.V.

This isn’t an isolated event: Ozturk is just the latest international student to have been picked up or targeted this way by Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents in the last month; the common through line to many of the cases is their participation in speech or protests against the war in Gaza, actions that are otherwise protected under this country’s free speech laws. As of Wednesday evening, Ozturk, who had a student visa, had been moved to Louisiana, and her lawyer said that, to her knowledge, Ozturk had not been charged with a crime.

It’s important to consider why ICE officers are making these arrests under the guise of immigration violations. Of the students targeted in similar fashion, none are charged with a crime, as far as we know. Rather, the federal government is utilizing a rarely used section of the Immigration and Nationality Act, which allows the secretary of state to deport noncitizens who could have “potentially serious adverse foreign policy consequences for the United States.”

How broadly that could be interpreted under this administration is anyone’s guess. The government has provided very little public information in these cases about what exactly the students allegedly did to undermine U.S. foreign policy. And in an alarming sign, this process has involved not just student visa holders, but also green card holders.

Now, with the Trump administration’s broad use of ICE, it seems as if a precedent is being set: Any noncitizen can face the same type of political detentions we associate with regimes abroad.

Were Ozturk or others arrested by local or state police officers, they’d have much more due process. They could ask for bail. They could not be moved across state lines without reason and held indefinitely in federal detention facilities, as Mahmoud Khalil, Badar Khan Suri and Ozturk currently are while pursuing legal appeals.

Politically motivated detentions and deportations aren’t the only way the Trump administration is pushing the legal boundaries of ICE’s purview. The families of several Venezuelan men seeking asylum say the men were wrongfully arrested and deported to a Salvadorean mega prison because they were mistakenly thought to be associated with the Tren de Aragua gang. In those deportations, too, the administration has invoked a little-used law, the Alien Enemies Act of 1798, declaring the gang an enemy of the nation to speed up deportations of Venezuelan migrants with very little due process.

Effectively, these types of arrests could transform ICE into an extrajudicial force, one that could hold any noncitizen — regardless of the individual’s legal status — under an increasingly opaque and authoritarian set of laws. You could be in this country legally, even invited here on a Fulbright scholarship, as Ozturk was, and, without being accused of a crime, be taken off the street. Even though Ozturk’s arrest is a familiar sight to many, it’s difficult to believe that it’s happening here, today, in America."


The American Dream belongs to all of us. — Kamala Harris

Replies to: "Any noncitizen can face the same political detentions we associate with regimes abroad."

  • Modern day Gestapo. I don't give AF about what someone authors that differs from anyone else [LINK] - Quest4twelve - 3:52pm 3/27/25 (51) [View All]
    • Guy who had no problem with citizens being censored are worried about non-citizens being removed for - iairishcheeks - 11:39pm 3/27/25
    • 7,300,000 illegals waved in by Sleepy. But let's worry about this Hamas supporter being sent home. - Iggle - 7:11pm 3/27/25
      • Where do you get your figures? [NT] - Quest4twelve - 8:14pm 3/27/25
        • Perplexity. Give it a try. - Iggle - 8:15pm 3/27/25
          • He prefers Maddow.AI [NT] - iairishcheeks - 9:20pm 3/27/25
          • For once just try and not act smarter than you are. A # was provided I want the source. - Quest4twelve - 8:40pm 3/27/25
            • I gave you clear instructions, moron. Follow them. - Iggle - 9:04pm 3/27/25
              • Piggles thinks anecdotes are facts. You're cute. [NT] - Quest4twelve - 9:15pm 3/27/25
                • Here you go, dolt. [LINK] - Iggle - 9:19pm 3/27/25
                  • I'll pass on your Fox News, Heritage info. Google this string and let me know what it you see - Quest4twelve - 9:34pm 3/27/25
                    • This is where we're missing BVZ's rules [NT] - iairishcheeks - 11:35pm 3/27/25
      • We should be concerned. - conorlarkin - 7:42pm 3/27/25
        • Hopeful that Brian Thompson's sons will get to watch Luigi choke in a gas chamber. - Iggle - 7:58pm 3/27/25
          • Protecting individuals from government overreach is the fundamental tenet of our nation. - conorlarkin - 8:13pm 3/27/25
            • A student visa is a privilege. Not a right. [NT] - Iggle - 8:18pm 3/27/25
              • So, if you disagree with dear leader that’s grounds to deport? That’s what she did. - Frank L - 9:11pm 3/27/25
                • She supports a designated terrorist group. - Iggle - 9:15pm 3/27/25
                  • What has she gone to support them Piggles? She wrote a letter disagreeing with your Mango savior? - Frank L - 9:22pm 3/27/25
                    • Maybe you should consider a little pro bono work on her behalf. - Iggle - 9:24pm 3/27/25
                      • As for you, you are a dipshit that is anti speech rights. [NT] - Frank L - 9:25pm 3/27/25
                        • Poor Frances can't even think straight. [NT] - Iggle - 9:26pm 3/27/25
                          • More brilliance from the village idiot. [NT] - Frank L - 9:30pm 3/27/25
                            • Lol. - Iggle - 9:31pm 3/27/25
                              • One would make a lot of money buying you for what you are really worth and selling you for what you - Frank L - 9:35pm 3/27/25
                                • Is that supposed to be profound or something? - Iggle - 9:46pm 3/27/25
                                  • Nope, just the truth. And also the only thing assessed accurately. Now run along you insufferable - Frank L - 9:49pm 3/27/25
                                    • Surrender accepted - Iggle - 9:52pm 3/27/25
                                      • Again proving your normal arrogant, incorrect assumption. Along with the ever brilliant surrender - Frank L - 9:55pm 3/27/25
              • Not just 1st, but also 5th amendment. - Quest4twelve - 8:42pm 3/27/25
                • She can say what she wants - Iggle - 8:56pm 3/27/25
                  • So you disagree with due process got it. Since when does the US detain and not charge? - Quest4twelve - 8:58pm 3/27/25
                    • She is being deported. Not detained. - Iggle - 9:05pm 3/27/25
                      • And? No rights, correct? Let’s be clear about your America: - conorlarkin - 9:15pm 3/27/25
                        • She can head back to Turkey and make an appeal. - Iggle - 9:20pm 3/27/25
                          • Sure piggies. You believe in free speech right? isn’t that what you asswipes are always braying - Frank L - 9:24pm 3/27/25
                        • You're talking to someone who would've sympathized with Hitler. Sorry not sorry... [NT] - Quest4twelve - 9:16pm 3/27/25
                          • Hitler, lol - Iggle - 9:22pm 3/27/25
                            • Piggles LOL, LOL, LOL...school girl laughing when typing. [NT] - Quest4twelve - 9:37pm 3/27/25
                              • OK Qwesty. I guess that means you win? [NT] - Iggle - 9:43pm 3/27/25
                      • Deportation for exercise of a protected right is illegal. [NT] - Frank L - 9:14pm 3/27/25
              • The visa holder enjoys First Amendment protection. She is not charged with a crime. - conorlarkin - 8:26pm 3/27/25
    • Any noncitizen can face the same political detentions we associate with regimes abroad. - conorlarkin - 6:11pm 3/27/25
    • It’s not like he didn’t telegraph this and it’s not like we didn’t - jimbasil - 5:28pm 3/27/25
    • A lawless regime run by an authoritarian wannabe who pardons people who assault the police. [NT] - Frank L - 5:18pm 3/27/25
    • It is appalling. Rubio today said he has signed "hundreds" of visa cancellations. - Chris94 - 4:37pm 3/27/25
      • Attorneys across the nation such as Mark Elias are going to be next. - jimbasil - 5:25pm 3/27/25
      • The complete denial of due process is abhorrent. - conorlarkin - 5:07pm 3/27/25
        • It really is. What was predicted is starting to happen. [NT] - Frank L - 5:08pm 3/27/25
    • They weren't peacefully protesting, which is why their visa was revoked and processed for - holybull101 - 4:10pm 3/27/25
      • Then why aren’t there charges? It’s about her letter, not protesting. [NT] - Frank L - 5:08pm 3/27/25
      • She wrote an article. You are familiar with the 5th Amendment as well, yes? [NT] - Quest4twelve - 4:17pm 3/27/25
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