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You have the purpose right. Some will always seek to use it to control others, though.

Author: NedoftheHill (44310 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)
Posted at 10:24 am on May 9, 2025
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Look at Tyrone and conor: they gets their doctrine from their political party. If there is any confict between their party's platform and Church doctrine, party platform controls. And, because they know that there are religious people out there who put doctrine first, they cynically try to use religion to control those people to get them to vote a certain way to increase their party's power. So, yes, as Jim points out, religion can be used by them as a leverage for political control.

And look at all the people who think the Conclave's goal was to put into effect those people's political goals. It is a strange viewpoint. I know someone who actually thinks the conclave was concerned about US domestic politics when they chose Leo, which is a really warped viewpoint.

But religion is supposed to be a tool for self control, not control of others.

Jesus was not a lobbyists or a political activist. He did not seek to use political power to change the world. He used persuasion, not political power (i.e., force). He called on individuals to act voluntarily. And, he did not call individuals to lobby their government to create social programs to make people more comfortable on earth. He called individuals toward personal charity to convert the souls of both giver and receiver to goodness. The earth would be a better place for that, of course, but that earthly benefit was not his goal.

Obviously, personal salvation is paramount for most believers. But I don't think of that very often. I use religion to help me to be a better person now, and i leave salvation to God if he is there. Even if he is not there, i still get what i want out of my belief.(Posting here is not my best behavior, so I do think of quitting this forum ocassionally.)


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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.

Replies to: "You have the purpose right. Some will always seek to use it to control others, though."

  • As I listen to the pundits babble about the new Pope I wonder what is the purpose of religion? - Curly1918 - 9:45am 5/9/25 (27) [View All]
    • Our new Pope chose the name Leo for a reason... - TyroneIrish - 11:49am 5/9/25
      • Leo XIII also cautioned against valuing an active apostolate more than a contemplative one. [LINK] - Curly1918 - 3:28pm 5/9/25
    • You have the purpose right. Some will always seek to use it to control others, though. - NedoftheHill - 10:24am 5/9/25
      • Hmm, seems to me on his twitter page, he had no issues with taking on a variety of social issues. - Frank L - 3:47pm 5/9/25
        • Sorry I offended you by leaving you off the "religion to politically control others" list. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 4:40pm 5/9/25
          • You are offending the new pontiff not me. He has taken on all of these issues with Mango. - Frank L - 5:35pm 5/9/25
            • I make no judgments on Leo. His papacy is his to shape. - NedoftheHill - 7:03pm 5/9/25
      • Great post Ned. I thought this person summarized the papal election for catholics the best. - BaronVonZemo - 12:55pm 5/9/25
        • Would that Baron practiced what he posts... [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 6:18pm 5/9/25
        • Right back at ya. Good post. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 3:00pm 5/9/25
      • An Open Forum is a place for Dialogue...it's not a Graffiti Wall. Again I invite you to engage - TyroneIrish - 12:01pm 5/9/25
      • Christ believed in religion. - Hensou - 10:36am 5/9/25
    • Would be interesting to see - WoodstockIrish - 10:14am 5/9/25
      • I gave up on the Catholic Church long ago. Way too many things I witnessed that pushed me away. - TampaIrish - 10:28am 5/9/25
        • Judas' betrayal? Peter, the 1st pope, denying Christ 3 times? - NedoftheHill - 3:08pm 5/9/25
        • Witness everything. - Hensou - 11:03am 5/9/25
          • Yes, of course Good and Evil coexist but when the evil wears a black outfit with a white collar, - TampaIrish - 11:13am 5/9/25
            • Satan has many disguises. Their actions were not Catholic. - Hensou - 11:22am 5/9/25
              • And I don’t. I have met and dealt with many priests who are awesome. - TampaIrish - 11:51am 5/9/25
                • The Church has made great strides in identifying cover-ups and preventing abuse. - Hensou - 12:23pm 5/9/25
                  • I'm not sure why public schools are being brought up here. I went 12 years of Catholic school and - TampaIrish - 12:59pm 5/9/25
                    • Public schools are a hotbed of sexual abuse. - Hensou - 1:20pm 5/9/25
    • The Church will be here long after we have all died. - Hensou - 10:05am 5/9/25
    • Control! [NT] - jimbasil - 9:47am 5/9/25
      • So the DNC must be your religion [NT] - holybull101 - 10:46am 5/9/25
        • Be careful, your MAGA might come through in your post as well as your - jimbasil - 11:35am 5/9/25
        • I think for many posters that is absolutely true. [NT] - Hensou - 10:49am 5/9/25
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