Judas' betrayal? Peter, the 1st pope, denying Christ 3 times?

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Judas' betrayal? Peter, the 1st pope, denying Christ 3 times?

Author: NedoftheHill (44310 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 3:08 pm on May 9, 2025

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If acts of individuals would drive you away from the Church, why weren't those enough to do it? (Not trying to be a jerk here, just trying to make a theological point.)

I think we had ample warning from the first days of the Church that the leaders of the Church were not protected from their own sinful choices. The only promise made was that the Church and it's teaching would prevail against Hell...not individuals.

Don't get me wrong. I'm sympathetic to how one reacts to these things. I myself left the church for many years. I just decided that just because doctors smoke and get sick, etc., that didn't mean I should stay away from the hospital myself.

Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.

Replies to: "Judas' betrayal? Peter, the 1st pope, denying Christ 3 times?"

As I listen to the pundits babble about the new Pope I wonder what is the purpose of religion? - Curly1918 - 9:45am 5/9/25 (28) [View All]
- Our new Pope chose the name Leo for a reason... - TyroneIrish - 11:49am 5/9/25
  - Leo XIII also cautioned against valuing an active apostolate more than a contemplative one. [LINK] - Curly1918 - 3:28pm 5/9/25
- You have the purpose right. Some will always seek to use it to control others, though. - NedoftheHill - 10:24am 5/9/25
  - Hmm, seems to me on his twitter page, he had no issues with taking on a variety of social issues. - Frank L - 3:47pm 5/9/25
    - Sorry I offended you by leaving you off the "religion to politically control others" list. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 4:40pm 5/9/25
      - You are offending the new pontiff not me. He has taken on all of these issues with Mango. - Frank L - 5:35pm 5/9/25
        I make no judgments on Leo. His papacy is his to shape. - NedoftheHill - 7:03pm 5/9/25
        Yes you have Ned. You voted for Trump. - conorlarkin - 7:33pm 5/9/25
  - Great post Ned. I thought this person summarized the papal election for catholics the best. - BaronVonZemo - 12:55pm 5/9/25
    - Would that Baron practiced what he posts... [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 6:18pm 5/9/25
    - Right back at ya. Good post. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 3:00pm 5/9/25
  - An Open Forum is a place for Dialogue...it's not a Graffiti Wall. Again I invite you to engage - TyroneIrish - 12:01pm 5/9/25
  - Christ believed in religion. - Hensou - 10:36am 5/9/25
- Would be interesting to see - WoodstockIrish - 10:14am 5/9/25
  - I gave up on the Catholic Church long ago. Way too many things I witnessed that pushed me away. - TampaIrish - 10:28am 5/9/25
    - Judas' betrayal? Peter, the 1st pope, denying Christ 3 times? - NedoftheHill - 3:08pm 5/9/25
    - Witness everything. - Hensou - 11:03am 5/9/25
      - Yes, of course Good and Evil coexist but when the evil wears a black outfit with a white collar, - TampaIrish - 11:13am 5/9/25
        Satan has many disguises. Their actions were not Catholic. - Hensou - 11:22am 5/9/25
        And I don’t. I have met and dealt with many priests who are awesome. - TampaIrish - 11:51am 5/9/25
        The Church has made great strides in identifying cover-ups and preventing abuse. - Hensou - 12:23pm 5/9/25
        I'm not sure why public schools are being brought up here. I went 12 years of Catholic school and - TampaIrish - 12:59pm 5/9/25
        Public schools are a hotbed of sexual abuse. - Hensou - 1:20pm 5/9/25
- The Church will be here long after we have all died. - Hensou - 10:05am 5/9/25
- Control! [NT] - jimbasil - 9:47am 5/9/25
  - So the DNC must be your religion [NT] - holybull101 - 10:46am 5/9/25
    - Be careful, your MAGA might come through in your post as well as your - jimbasil - 11:35am 5/9/25
    - I think for many posters that is absolutely true. [NT] - Hensou - 10:49am 5/9/25