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Pete Rose

Author: Mark (856 Posts - Joined: Jul 23, 2015)
Posted at 10:20 am on May 16, 2025
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There was a thread a few days ago but it didn't get as much interest as I thought it should.

Should Rose have been reinstated? Should he be eligible for the Baseball Hall of Fame?

I'm all for second chances, but in my view Rose’s endless lies and his assumption of victimhood eliminated any chance of empathy even before the more sordid details of his personal life came to light. Neither he nor his supporters helped his cause by coming out of the woodwork to clamor for his reinstatement every time a new scandal reared its head, like the widespread use of PEDs, electronically-aided sign-stealing, or the financial abuses of Shohei Ohtani’s interpreter (does anyone really believe Ohtani didn't know about this or participate in it?). Rose always argued that what he did wasn’t akin to Barry Bonds‘ PED use, or the Astros’ and Red Sox’s cheating. But what he never addressed is the difference between Rose’s explicit and deliberate violation of Rule 21, which was enacted in 1927 and which has been posted in every clubhouse in professional baseball for nearly a century, and all of these the others.

This isn’t to excuse Bonds and company, or the Astros and Red Sox, but they didn’t break The One Rule that carries baseball’s equivalent of the death penalty, nor did they voluntarily sign papers agreeing to be on the permanently ineligible list.


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Replies to: "Pete Rose"

  • Pete Rose - Mark - 10:20am 5/16/25 (36) [View All]
    • Did Pete bet on his team to lose? If so, no amount of "I'm sorry" can erase that. - ELP - 12:43pm 5/16/25
      • No. There was never evidence that he bet on them to lose. - jakers - 1:37pm 5/16/25
      • No, not to lose. [NT] - Frank L - 1:02pm 5/16/25
    • A few words about Barry Bonds...he and the Giants watched as MLB touted the juiced up - TyroneIrish - 12:14pm 5/16/25
      • Are you from San Fran, that explains it. [NT] - THEISMANCARR - 3:00am 5/17/25
        • From NYC as well as the Bay Area...I confess to fandom on this issue...Loved the rubber chickens - TyroneIrish - 3:16pm 5/17/25
          • His bald bean got so big from roiding that he looked like one of those alien species on Star Trek. - Frank L - 6:02pm 5/18/25
      • I hesitate to call it a "blind eye" from baseball as an orgranization. - jakers - 1:41pm 5/16/25
        • Sorry, but your take is too kind to MLB - Nigel Tufnel - 11:10am 5/17/25
          • I don't disagree that they didn't prioritize it enough. - jakers - 1:18pm 5/17/25
      • Yup, and now he’s part of the informal cheaters ban like they are. He made the choice. - Frank L - 12:30pm 5/16/25
    • Nope. He fucked around and found out. [NT] - Domer From Hell - 11:34am 5/16/25
    • His story should be told at the HOF - Show how he disgraced the game but he should never be - jimbasil - 11:22am 5/16/25
    • My take is that the punishment was a Lifetime Ban. And it was fair. - jakers - 11:04am 5/16/25
      • Agree, it was a lifetime ban. - PaND - 11:22am 5/16/25
        • Technically that's not right [LINK] - Mark - 11:35am 5/16/25
          • I stand corrected. - PaND - 12:22pm 5/16/25
          • That pretty much seals the deal on Pete Rose...unrepentant to the end...believing He was above - TyroneIrish - 12:00pm 5/16/25
          • Agree with that, but didn't Giamatti and Rose agree on Lifetime Ban? [NT] - jakers - 11:57am 5/16/25
            • Not that I know of - Mark - 12:40pm 5/16/25
              • I just checked: The accepted punishment was Lifetime Ineligibility. - jakers - 1:36pm 5/16/25
                • Good, nothing he did helped his performance on the field - PaND - 3:47pm 5/16/25
    • "Go home and tell your kids there's no more rules" [LINK] - Hensou - 10:35am 5/16/25
    • I understand your point, but I would argue the egregiousness of cheating in the WS is at that level - Frank L - 10:31am 5/16/25
    • All he had to do was apologize. Instead he lied and lied. - Chris94 - 10:30am 5/16/25
      • I struggle with exceptions for guys who were H.O.F. players before they juiced. - jakers - 11:22am 5/16/25
        • I agree. It's tough. - Chris94 - 11:37am 5/16/25
          • McGwire, maybe. Not sure about Sosa. - jakers - 2:00pm 5/16/25
      • Agree. Without contrition how could he be absolved! [NT] - Hensou - 11:05am 5/16/25
      • Barry is a despicable human being. No Hall of Fame can change that. [NT] - Hensou - 10:45am 5/16/25
        • True, but lots of despicable human beings are in the Hall of Fame. That's not a disqualification. [NT] - Chris94 - 11:34am 5/16/25
          • I never said it disqualified him. Just that the HOF will not change the fact that he is despicable. - Hensou - 11:47am 5/16/25
      • Even when he did, they still wouldn’t let him in. [NT] - Frank L - 10:31am 5/16/25
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