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My take is that the punishment was a Lifetime Ban. And it was fair.

Author: jakers (13787 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 11:04 am on May 16, 2025
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There was always some scuttlebutt that maybe if he'd shown contrition, admitted things earlier, been a Vick-like "ambassador" to the game about his transgressions that he could have been considered while alive. I'm not sure that was the case. As bad as P.E.D.'s stained the game, this rule was always 100% cut and dry. And he knowingly and repeatedly violated it.

I also don't fully accept the argument that "he only bet on his own team to win." Forgetting that betting on baseball in general is a violation, the mere fact that he had money wagered on games that he was directly influencing is really, really bad. Did it influence him to risk short-term decisions that would have a negative impact on subsequent games or the outcome of the season? (i.e., leave pitchers in longer, risk bigger injuries by pushing guys who needed recovery into the lineup, forego needed development opportunities for younger guys, etc.). Alternatively, did he waste other games that he didn't have money on in order to maximize the next game that he did have a wager on? Betting on his own team to win really isn't a good argument to me.

If you watched the latest documentary filmed in 2022, he still didn't "get it," and still didn't own any it. You don't see remorse. He was still in denial and still evasive in talking about it.

The punishment was Lifetime Ban. He's gone, and the voters can now make decisions based on all of the relevant information available, just as they do with Bonds, Clemens, etc. If eventually inducted, his display should list his accomplishments, transgressions, and the suspension.


Replies to: "My take is that the punishment was a Lifetime Ban. And it was fair."

  • Pete Rose - Mark - 10:20am 5/16/25 (36) [View All]
    • Did Pete bet on his team to lose? If so, no amount of "I'm sorry" can erase that. - ELP - 12:43pm 5/16/25
      • No. There was never evidence that he bet on them to lose. - jakers - 1:37pm 5/16/25
      • No, not to lose. [NT] - Frank L - 1:02pm 5/16/25
    • A few words about Barry Bonds...he and the Giants watched as MLB touted the juiced up - TyroneIrish - 12:14pm 5/16/25
      • Are you from San Fran, that explains it. [NT] - THEISMANCARR - 3:00am 5/17/25
        • From NYC as well as the Bay Area...I confess to fandom on this issue...Loved the rubber chickens - TyroneIrish - 3:16pm 5/17/25
          • His bald bean got so big from roiding that he looked like one of those alien species on Star Trek. - Frank L - 6:02pm 5/18/25
      • I hesitate to call it a "blind eye" from baseball as an orgranization. - jakers - 1:41pm 5/16/25
        • Sorry, but your take is too kind to MLB - Nigel Tufnel - 11:10am 5/17/25
          • I don't disagree that they didn't prioritize it enough. - jakers - 1:18pm 5/17/25
      • Yup, and now he’s part of the informal cheaters ban like they are. He made the choice. - Frank L - 12:30pm 5/16/25
    • Nope. He fucked around and found out. [NT] - Domer From Hell - 11:34am 5/16/25
    • His story should be told at the HOF - Show how he disgraced the game but he should never be - jimbasil - 11:22am 5/16/25
    • My take is that the punishment was a Lifetime Ban. And it was fair. - jakers - 11:04am 5/16/25
      • Agree, it was a lifetime ban. - PaND - 11:22am 5/16/25
        • Technically that's not right [LINK] - Mark - 11:35am 5/16/25
          • I stand corrected. - PaND - 12:22pm 5/16/25
          • That pretty much seals the deal on Pete Rose...unrepentant to the end...believing He was above - TyroneIrish - 12:00pm 5/16/25
          • Agree with that, but didn't Giamatti and Rose agree on Lifetime Ban? [NT] - jakers - 11:57am 5/16/25
            • Not that I know of - Mark - 12:40pm 5/16/25
              • I just checked: The accepted punishment was Lifetime Ineligibility. - jakers - 1:36pm 5/16/25
                • Good, nothing he did helped his performance on the field - PaND - 3:47pm 5/16/25
    • "Go home and tell your kids there's no more rules" [LINK] - Hensou - 10:35am 5/16/25
    • I understand your point, but I would argue the egregiousness of cheating in the WS is at that level - Frank L - 10:31am 5/16/25
    • All he had to do was apologize. Instead he lied and lied. - Chris94 - 10:30am 5/16/25
      • I struggle with exceptions for guys who were H.O.F. players before they juiced. - jakers - 11:22am 5/16/25
        • I agree. It's tough. - Chris94 - 11:37am 5/16/25
          • McGwire, maybe. Not sure about Sosa. - jakers - 2:00pm 5/16/25
      • Agree. Without contrition how could he be absolved! [NT] - Hensou - 11:05am 5/16/25
      • Barry is a despicable human being. No Hall of Fame can change that. [NT] - Hensou - 10:45am 5/16/25
        • True, but lots of despicable human beings are in the Hall of Fame. That's not a disqualification. [NT] - Chris94 - 11:34am 5/16/25
          • I never said it disqualified him. Just that the HOF will not change the fact that he is despicable. - Hensou - 11:47am 5/16/25
      • Even when he did, they still wouldn’t let him in. [NT] - Frank L - 10:31am 5/16/25
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