I agree. It's tough.

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I agree. It's tough.

Author: Chris94 (36583 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:37 am on May 16, 2025

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But I bet Sosa and McGwire would be in without the juice. Certainly Clemens and Bonds.

A PED wing in the Hall would solve the issue.

Replies to: "I agree. It's tough."

Pete Rose - Mark - 10:20am 5/16/25 (36) [View All]
- Did Pete bet on his team to lose? If so, no amount of "I'm sorry" can erase that. - ELP - 12:43pm 5/16/25
  - No. There was never evidence that he bet on them to lose. - jakers - 1:37pm 5/16/25
  - No, not to lose. [NT] - Frank L - 1:02pm 5/16/25
- A few words about Barry Bonds...he and the Giants watched as MLB touted the juiced up - TyroneIrish - 12:14pm 5/16/25
  - Are you from San Fran, that explains it. [NT] - THEISMANCARR - 3:00am 5/17/25
    - From NYC as well as the Bay Area...I confess to fandom on this issue...Loved the rubber chickens - TyroneIrish - 3:16pm 5/17/25
      - His bald bean got so big from roiding that he looked like one of those alien species on Star Trek. - Frank L - 6:02pm 5/18/25
  - I hesitate to call it a "blind eye" from baseball as an orgranization. - jakers - 1:41pm 5/16/25
    - Sorry, but your take is too kind to MLB - Nigel Tufnel - 11:10am 5/17/25
      - I don't disagree that they didn't prioritize it enough. - jakers - 1:18pm 5/17/25
  - Yup, and now he’s part of the informal cheaters ban like they are. He made the choice. - Frank L - 12:30pm 5/16/25
- Nope. He fucked around and found out. [NT] - Domer From Hell - 11:34am 5/16/25
- His story should be told at the HOF - Show how he disgraced the game but he should never be - jimbasil - 11:22am 5/16/25
- My take is that the punishment was a Lifetime Ban. And it was fair. - jakers - 11:04am 5/16/25
  - Agree, it was a lifetime ban. - PaND - 11:22am 5/16/25
    - Technically that's not right [LINK] - Mark - 11:35am 5/16/25
      - I stand corrected. - PaND - 12:22pm 5/16/25
      - That pretty much seals the deal on Pete Rose...unrepentant to the end...believing He was above - TyroneIrish - 12:00pm 5/16/25
      - Agree with that, but didn't Giamatti and Rose agree on Lifetime Ban? [NT] - jakers - 11:57am 5/16/25
        Not that I know of - Mark - 12:40pm 5/16/25
        I just checked: The accepted punishment was Lifetime Ineligibility. - jakers - 1:36pm 5/16/25
        Good, nothing he did helped his performance on the field - PaND - 3:47pm 5/16/25
- "Go home and tell your kids there's no more rules" [LINK] - Hensou - 10:35am 5/16/25
- I understand your point, but I would argue the egregiousness of cheating in the WS is at that level - Frank L - 10:31am 5/16/25
- All he had to do was apologize. Instead he lied and lied. - Chris94 - 10:30am 5/16/25
  - I struggle with exceptions for guys who were H.O.F. players before they juiced. - jakers - 11:22am 5/16/25
    - I agree. It's tough. - Chris94 - 11:37am 5/16/25
      - McGwire, maybe. Not sure about Sosa. - jakers - 2:00pm 5/16/25
  - Agree. Without contrition how could he be absolved! [NT] - Hensou - 11:05am 5/16/25
  - Barry is a despicable human being. No Hall of Fame can change that. [NT] - Hensou - 10:45am 5/16/25
    - True, but lots of despicable human beings are in the Hall of Fame. That's not a disqualification. [NT] - Chris94 - 11:34am 5/16/25
      - I never said it disqualified him. Just that the HOF will not change the fact that he is despicable. - Hensou - 11:47am 5/16/25
  - Even when he did, they still wouldn’t let him in. [NT] - Frank L - 10:31am 5/16/25