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Cali Officials respond to the deployment

Author: jimbasil (52634 Posts - Joined: Nov 15, 2007)
Posted at 7:19 am on Jun 10, 2025
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NYTimes

“This is a provocation, not just an escalation,” Gov. Gavin Newsom said in an interview with The Times. “This is intended to sow more fear, more anger, and to further divide.”

The Pentagon did not make clear why it would need more National Guard troops in the city. The state has also sued to block the use of the National Guard. And Democrats expressed alarm about the arrival of Marines. As our colleagues explain in this article, American military troops are supposed to be used inside the U.S. only in the rarest and most extreme situations.

Strangely, even as his administration deployed the armed forces, Trump said the situation in Los Angeles had already calmed down. “It’s still simmering a little bit,” he told reporters at the White House yesterday afternoon. “But not very much.”

The police and small groups of protesters clashed in the Little Tokyo neighborhood yesterday, where the L.A.P.D. made arrests, and used tear gas to disperse crowds. But there generally seemed to be fewer clashes between protesters and police officers. So far, the National Guard appears to have largely stayed out of those confrontations.

ICE’s escalation
Troops in helmets and camouflage pointing riot-control weapons.
ICE agents outside a federal building downtown on Sunday. Gabriela Bhaskar/The New York Times
Why are the protests against Trump’s immigration raids happening now? Hamed Aleaziz, who covers immigration, explains:

The eruption in Los Angeles began when immigration agents showed up to arrest people at their jobs. They hadn’t told the city they were coming, and protesters tried to stop them.

This probably won’t be the last such conflict. The Trump administration is escalating its immigration crackdown, and worksite raids are the next major step. Future arrests are likely to be disruptive.

Finding more migrants: For most of this year, officials from Immigrations and Customs Enforcement have snagged the easiest-to-find migrants: People with criminal records, court petitions, asylum requests. Agents often knew where these people would be.

The result: The government was deporting about 700 per day, not much more than the Biden administration.

Last month, Stephen Miller, Trump’s immigration czar, delivered a message: ICE needed to hit a “minimum” of 3,000 arrests a day — about 10 times the figure under Biden.

Creative answers: To get there, the agency is seeking new tactics. The government has dismissed criminal cases against migrants and then arrested them as they left court. It is showing up at workplaces. And it has asked the National Guard and the Marines to help with enforcement.

Can Trump do that?
The White House says it deployed federal troops to Los Angeles because the local police need help to counter “insurrectionists.” But the Posse Comitatus Act says the armed forces aren’t law enforcement. We asked Rachel VanLandingham, a professor at Southwestern Law School and a former Air Force lieutenant colonel, what’s allowed.

Is this all legal?

The founders wanted to prevent the president from using federal troops against “we the people” because of the way the Red Coats used warrants to do whatever they wanted in people’s homes. But National Guard troops are local citizens; they live in their communities. So they’re allowed to help with police work — until they’re federalized. Which is what Trump did last weekend. Then they became indistinguishable from active-duty military. All they can do is defend federal workers like ICE agents, and federal buildings like an ICE detention center.

So the California National Guard and the Marines can’t contain the protests?

Not unless the president invokes the Insurrection Act! That law lets troops police our streets to suppress insurrections and help execute federal law in the face of rebellion.

Trump said yesterday that the protesters were “insurrectionists.” What counts as a rebellion?

It’s very vague — the law doesn’t say. It could be people trying to stop ICE agents from doing their job. I don’t think courts are going to want to argue about what constitutes a rebellion. The founders gave the president discretion here, so if Trump does invoke the Insurrection Act he’s on firm legal footing.


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Replies to: "Cali Officials respond to the deployment"

  • Trump sends in the Marines. [NT] [LINK] - jimbasil - 10:01pm 6/9/25 (38) [View All]
    • Brave Captain Bonespurs. [NT] - Frank L - 9:56am 6/10/25
    • What other option is there when the Dems rage and local politicians are complicit in violence? [NT] - LanceManion - 9:44am 6/10/25
      • The Marines, really? He already called out the NG. [NT] - Frank L - 10:06am 6/10/25
        • Well it appears to be working, would you have waited like Joe did for BLM? [NT] - THEISMANCARR - 2:24pm 6/10/25
          • As usual your post is based on lies. See attached. Orange who was prez in 2020 didn’t call up the [LINK] - Frank L - 3:46pm 6/10/25
    • People & property need to be protected from violent Dems on rampage about the election result. - BaronVonZemo - 9:19am 6/10/25
    • Newsom should pretend it's Covid and all the rioters are trying to sneak into church or the beach. - Iggle - 9:07am 6/10/25
      • Precisely. We remember who actually imposed martial law. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 10:33am 6/10/25
      • Excellent point. [NT] - iairishcheeks - 9:57am 6/10/25
    • Cali Officials respond to the deployment - jimbasil - 7:19am 6/10/25
      • Wasn't the National Guard used in Cali to help with the COVID shots? [NT] - TampaIrish - 10:04am 6/10/25
      • How does Gov Brylcream find the time with all his podcasts & media appearances? - ELP - 9:15am 6/10/25
        • Prolly by taking a page out of Bleach Blondi’s media guide. [NT] - Frank L - 9:45am 6/10/25
    • More gasoline on the fire. [NT] - Chris94 - 2:33am 6/10/25
      • The National Guard and Marines are the one's lighting cars on fire? - Curly1918 - 9:03am 6/10/25
      • Yes, just letting rioters destroy & burn themselves out. Appeasement is the way. Liberalism Rule #7. - BaronVonZemo - 8:17am 6/10/25
      • The public needs to show restraint (Trump never will) and not take the bait [LINK] - Chris94 - 2:54am 6/10/25
        • You already have created chaos. The "bait" you claim that caused your violence is enforcement of law - BaronVonZemo - 8:41am 6/10/25
        • We? You’re an illegal who is throwing rocks at law enforcement and destroying shit? - TampaIrish - 7:26am 6/10/25
          • The issue is about Trump sending in the military when not requested by mayor or Governor. - conorlarkin - 7:48am 6/10/25
            • Fulfilling his duty instead of ignoring it (which you'd also criticize if he did). [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 8:18am 6/10/25
        • Yes. Never feed the monster. [NT] [LINK] - conorlarkin - 3:00am 6/10/25
          • Incredible Abject Cruelty…brought to you by Donald J. Trump and his equally debased followers. [NT] - TyroneIrish - 4:34am 6/10/25
            • Imagine how much denial you have to be in… - Chris94 - 5:49am 6/10/25
              • Not unlike Germany during the Holocaust. [NT] - conorlarkin - 7:00am 6/10/25
    • America’s future as a democracy will hinge upon how Americans respond. [NT] [LINK] - conorlarkin - 2:20am 6/10/25
    • Predictable response from the Moron in Chief - Death - 11:43pm 6/9/25
    • Too bad R. Lee Ermey isn't around anymore to lead the charge. [NT] - ELP - 10:31pm 6/9/25
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