Previously, you & other Dems thought his negotiating position was his final position.

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Previously, you & other Dems thought his negotiating position was his final position.

Author: NedoftheHill (44722 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 1:07 pm on Jun 25, 2025

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I did some searching. You mentioned Trump "bagging on NATO," and you said "Because of our loser prez. Putin knows that he would never let us fight to fulfill our NATO obligations"

You also said that Trump would pull us out of NATO: "And who will pull us out of NATO? Own your vote. ..."

Nice to see some acknowledgement that he was trying to provoke NATO to "hump their own shit" as Lance aptly put it.

Trump's efforts with NATO will make NATO a much tougher opponent for Putin. He does deserve credit for that, as you say. It is just weird to watch everyone freak out about this interim negotiating positions as if they are his final goals.

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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.

Replies to: "Previously, you & other Dems thought his negotiating position was his final position."

Much as it pains me to admit, I give Trump credit here. Long overdue. [NT] [LINK] - Frank L - 9:58am 6/25/25 (33) [View All]
- Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while. [NT] - ND521 - 4:24pm 6/25/25
  - What a d bag response. [NT] - Frankx - 6:48pm 6/25/25
    - Your Don calls supporters 'basement dwellers' & Vets 'suckers and losers'. All yours, Senior Chief. [NT] - ND521 - 7:59pm 6/25/25
      - Wrong again, I have a star. You’ve bought into the hate just to be right. Sad [NT] - Frankx - 9:29pm 6/25/25
        Corrected. Headed down for 4th. Sea 'N Air and fam time. [NT] - ND521 - 10:35pm 6/25/25
        Holes 2 3 and 4. Hit a 4 iron from the left fairway bunker on #4 to a foot from 185 [NT] - Frankx - 10:58pm 6/25/25
  - Oh he has his own agenda which is to make them shoulder their own defense without us. [NT] - Frank L - 5:09pm 6/25/25
- Previously, you & other Dems thought his negotiating position was his final position. - NedoftheHill - 1:07pm 6/25/25
  - Stand by all of those comments. And yeah no one ever thought he ever changes positions. Hence the - Frank L - 1:24pm 6/25/25
    - Every negotiation entails setting a goal, and taking an initial position that will be compromised. - NedoftheHill - 1:37pm 6/25/25
      - Oh please shoring up NATO was never his goal. His goal is to not have to fulfill the Article 5 [LINK] - Frank L - 4:17pm 6/25/25
        You are giving him credit for something you think he never intended. Um, ok. - NedoftheHill - 5:00pm 6/25/25
        Oh I think he intended to push them to raise their contributions. I also think that he has no - Frank L - 5:13pm 6/25/25
        Interesting viewpoint. I think he is not a subtle person like that. But, meh. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 7:01pm 6/25/25
        It’s not subtle at all. He has always disliked NATO and our commitment of having to directly defend - Frank L - 7:24pm 6/25/25
        
        TDS. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 4:33pm 6/25/25
- I’ll give Trump credit for this: - Chris94 - 12:16pm 6/25/25
- We all hump our own shit. [NT] - LanceManion - 11:42am 6/25/25
- NATO still hears DJT's words in last year's campaign questioning 'Article Five' along with - TyroneIrish - 11:33am 6/25/25
  - Of course. That's Trump's goal. Don't use Article 5 to seek US protection. What does 5% mean? - Eli - 12:44pm 6/25/25
    - “Do a math”. Can you at least try a little harder? [NT] - Domer From Hell - 1:00pm 6/25/25
- You should also give Putin credit. He’s the one who made it happen. [NT] - Chris94 - 11:18am 6/25/25
  - That's the excuse sold to their citizens by EU establishment. They know US is leaving. The center of - Eli - 12:08pm 6/25/25
    - The US isn’t leaving and it’s Russia Russia Russia because Russia… - Domer From Hell - 12:57pm 6/25/25
      - Rolling back US footprint in Europe is no longer a secret. It's a plan. Slow and ignorant. [NT] [LINK] - Eli - 1:18pm 6/25/25
        You’re uninformed and a traitor. The Pentagon… - Domer From Hell - 1:29pm 6/25/25
  - Putin made his attentions clear decades ago... the Euros blinded themselves to the truth. [LINK] - Curly1918 - 11:32am 6/25/25
    - The truth is that Trump supported Nordstream 2...(see linked article explaining this) [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 11:56am 6/25/25
- Agree 100% [NT] - Domer From Hell - 10:52am 6/25/25
- Ok, but the US doesn't spend 5% of it's GDP for defense, so why require others? [NT] - Quest4twelve - 10:22am 6/25/25
  - Because let’s face it in this alliance we do the rules. Moreover the sheer volume of our GDP - Frank L - 10:26am 6/25/25
- He's a Gordian Knot cutter. [LINK] - Curly1918 - 10:10am 6/25/25
  - 'Knot' here...and 'Knot' in the Middle East either ;-) [NT] - TyroneIrish - 11:59am 6/25/25