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Every negotiation entails setting a goal, and taking an initial position that will be compromised.

Author: NedoftheHill (44665 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)
Posted at 1:37 pm on Jun 25, 2025
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That is why the TACO thing is funny to anyone who knows how a negotiation is properly done. Changing positions in a negotiation (e.g., regarding acceptable amount of contribution to settle the matter) is how negotiations typically proceed. The goal is not stated out loud, because then the other side just jumps to that as the starting point of compromise, not the end point of compromise. You want to sell a car for $30k, you offer it for $32k; you want to buy a car for $30k, you offer $28k to buy it. Then you negotiate. Changing your position is not surrendering; it is how negotiations work. If you start with $30k offer to buy (your end goal), you will either have to walk out without a car, or pay $31k. That is what would be worthy of ridicule, not negotiating up from $28k to $30k...and yet that is, analogously, what the Left ridicules, on this issue, tariffs, etc.

For Trump, the goal was a strong NATO. The initial position was "if you don't hump your own shit, we won't hump it for you." A very aggressive position, to be sure, but encouragement over the last few decades for them to live up to their commitments hadn't worked. NATO responded to this position, and is now starting to hump their own shit. Success. You can pretend that Trump wanted to withdraw or undermine NATO, as you stated previously, and as you reiterate today...although, how you can believe that and still give Trump credit is plainly silly. But, that is obviously not true to everyone paying attention who is not a pure partisan blinded to the reality of how these things are done.


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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.

Replies to: "Every negotiation entails setting a goal, and taking an initial position that will be compromised."

  • Much as it pains me to admit, I give Trump credit here. Long overdue. [NT] [LINK] - Frank L - 9:58am 6/25/25 (33) [View All]
    • Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while. [NT] - ND521 - 4:24pm 6/25/25
      • What a d bag response. [NT] - Frankx - 6:48pm 6/25/25
        • Your Don calls supporters 'basement dwellers' & Vets 'suckers and losers'. All yours, Senior Chief. [NT] - ND521 - 7:59pm 6/25/25
          • Wrong again, I have a star. You’ve bought into the hate just to be right. Sad [NT] - Frankx - 9:29pm 6/25/25
            • Corrected. Headed down for 4th. Sea 'N Air and fam time. [NT] - ND521 - 10:35pm 6/25/25
              • Holes 2 3 and 4. Hit a 4 iron from the left fairway bunker on #4 to a foot from 185 [NT] - Frankx - 10:58pm 6/25/25
      • Oh he has his own agenda which is to make them shoulder their own defense without us. [NT] - Frank L - 5:09pm 6/25/25
    • Previously, you & other Dems thought his negotiating position was his final position. - NedoftheHill - 1:07pm 6/25/25
      • Stand by all of those comments. And yeah no one ever thought he ever changes positions. Hence the - Frank L - 1:24pm 6/25/25
        • Every negotiation entails setting a goal, and taking an initial position that will be compromised. - NedoftheHill - 1:37pm 6/25/25
          • Oh please shoring up NATO was never his goal. His goal is to not have to fulfill the Article 5 [LINK] - Frank L - 4:17pm 6/25/25
            • You are giving him credit for something you think he never intended. Um, ok. - NedoftheHill - 5:00pm 6/25/25
              • Oh I think he intended to push them to raise their contributions. I also think that he has no - Frank L - 5:13pm 6/25/25
                • Interesting viewpoint. I think he is not a subtle person like that. But, meh. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 7:01pm 6/25/25
                  • It’s not subtle at all. He has always disliked NATO and our commitment of having to directly defend - Frank L - 7:24pm 6/25/25
            • TDS. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 4:33pm 6/25/25
    • I’ll give Trump credit for this: - Chris94 - 12:16pm 6/25/25
    • We all hump our own shit. [NT] - LanceManion - 11:42am 6/25/25
    • NATO still hears DJT's words in last year's campaign questioning 'Article Five' along with - TyroneIrish - 11:33am 6/25/25
      • Of course. That's Trump's goal. Don't use Article 5 to seek US protection. What does 5% mean? - Eli - 12:44pm 6/25/25
        • “Do a math”. Can you at least try a little harder? [NT] - Domer From Hell - 1:00pm 6/25/25
    • You should also give Putin credit. He’s the one who made it happen. [NT] - Chris94 - 11:18am 6/25/25
      • That's the excuse sold to their citizens by EU establishment. They know US is leaving. The center of - Eli - 12:08pm 6/25/25
        • The US isn’t leaving and it’s Russia Russia Russia because Russia… - Domer From Hell - 12:57pm 6/25/25
          • Rolling back US footprint in Europe is no longer a secret. It's a plan. Slow and ignorant. [NT] [LINK] - Eli - 1:18pm 6/25/25
            • You’re uninformed and a traitor. The Pentagon… - Domer From Hell - 1:29pm 6/25/25
      • Putin made his attentions clear decades ago... the Euros blinded themselves to the truth. [LINK] - Curly1918 - 11:32am 6/25/25
        • The truth is that Trump supported Nordstream 2...(see linked article explaining this) [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 11:56am 6/25/25
    • Agree 100% [NT] - Domer From Hell - 10:52am 6/25/25
    • Ok, but the US doesn't spend 5% of it's GDP for defense, so why require others? [NT] - Quest4twelve - 10:22am 6/25/25
      • Because let’s face it in this alliance we do the rules. Moreover the sheer volume of our GDP - Frank L - 10:26am 6/25/25
    • He's a Gordian Knot cutter. [LINK] - Curly1918 - 10:10am 6/25/25
      • 'Knot' here...and 'Knot' in the Middle East either ;-) [NT] - TyroneIrish - 11:59am 6/25/25
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