You're focused on the means rather than the motive.

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You're focused on the means rather than the motive.

Author: iairishcheeks (28116 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 7:46 am on Aug 30, 2025

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And your numbers are off. 3800 FPS would be the 22-250 range, and there are much more powerful rounds available, even on the AR platform.

A 22 LR will kill rabbits and humans, but you're not going to take down an elk or a moose with one.

But the question you should be asking is why did this person want to kill as many innocent children as possible, because there are other means to do so that cannot be easily controlled.

Replies to: "You're focused on the means rather than the motive."

Assault Rifle owners are mesmerized by exploding watermelons...to the point of not imagining what [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 11:36pm 8/29/25 (67) [View All]
- Little kids probably explode in much the same way - Chris94 - 8:40am 8/30/25
  - Would you rather die like that, by machete or Molotov cocktail? [NT] - iairishcheeks - 9:13am 8/30/25
    - Notice how often an Assault Rifle is used in U.S. Mass Shootings...Banning them would definitely [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 12:30pm 8/30/25
      - I think that's actually an ironic function of their demonization. - iairishcheeks - 12:33pm 8/30/25
        Let's get rid of the current weapons of choice...Assault Rifles...then deal the others...it's called - TyroneIrish - 1:26pm 8/30/25
        Or, we could address the motive to kill children. [NT] - iairishcheeks - 1:29pm 8/30/25
        Most of us know how to "Walk and Chew Gum at the Same Time"...what's holding you back? [NT] - TyroneIrish - 2:21pm 8/30/25
        Alright address the root cause, go: [NT] - iairishcheeks - 4:15pm 8/30/25
- Chris: Which is more indicative of autocracy? Banning private guns or rescinding security clearances [NT] - NedoftheHill - 6:04am 8/30/25
  - Aren’t your arsenals of private guns supposed to prevent autocracy? [NT] - Chris94 - 8:41am 8/30/25
    - You don't want to answer the question? Too embarrassing for you? [NT] - NedoftheHill - 9:49am 8/30/25
- .223 Rem/5.56 NATO is not that powerful of a round. - iairishcheeks - 12:18am 8/30/25
  - The lethality of .223 Rem rounds out of a rapid fire semi-automatic AR-15 with muzzle velocities in - TyroneIrish - 2:31am 8/30/25
    - You're focused on the means rather than the motive. - iairishcheeks - 7:46am 8/30/25
      - There's a reason why our military chose the AR-15 and its ammunition...more efficient killing and - TyroneIrish - 1:34pm 8/30/25
        Actually it was for lighter weight, less recoil and higher mag capacity. - iairishcheeks - 2:01pm 8/30/25
        Here's what a .223 round does to a human being's body...just imagine what happens to kids... - TyroneIrish - 2:09pm 8/30/25
        And yet, it'd take a perfect shot to kill an Elk. [NT] - iairishcheeks - 2:18pm 8/30/25
        Not so perfect a shot to kill or maim a child though...why do you ramble off when the issue involves - TyroneIrish - 2:24pm 8/30/25
        Are you saying you'd be happy to have children killed by 22LR? [NT] - iairishcheeks - 4:16pm 8/30/25
        Of course not...but the likelihood of bolt action .22s being used in mass shootings is remote. Let's - TyroneIrish - 6:56pm 8/30/25
    - Why do you think we need .22LR bolt action guns? - NedoftheHill - 6:03am 8/30/25
      - Your first question... - TyroneIrish - 11:06am 8/30/25
        You intend to replace the 2nd Amendment with a "sporting right" amendment? - NedoftheHill - 3:54pm 8/30/25
        See Justice Warren Burger speak about the purpose of the 2nd Amendment…I.e. it only deals with - TyroneIrish - 4:22pm 8/30/25
        
        You realize that a skilled shooter can kill a person at 1000 yds with a ".30 type" bolt action rifle - iairishcheeks - 11:42am 8/30/25
        Yes, but far fewer would be killed..."Perfect is the Enemy of Good"...let's do all we can to Reduce - TyroneIrish - 12:18pm 8/30/25
        You're advocating for 22 LR, the 2nd most common firearm traced to crime. - iairishcheeks - 12:26pm 8/30/25
        I'm advocating for "Bolt Action" .22's...you know as well as I do that the casualty/death rate would - TyroneIrish - 12:33pm 8/30/25
        No it wouldn't, we should be happy the Trans-Nut didn't realize 5.56 doesn't go through church pews. [NT] - iairishcheeks - 12:35pm 8/30/25
        A bolt action .22 LR wouldn't either and the number of rounds fired would be a whole lot less, thus - TyroneIrish - 1:50pm 8/30/25
        And what would the Molotov cocktail assembled at the nearest gas station do? [NT] - iairishcheeks - 2:03pm 8/30/25
        Why ignore the very real threat that's already in play...Assault Rifles? [NT] - TyroneIrish - 2:26pm 8/30/25
      - Your second question first... - TyroneIrish - 10:46am 8/30/25
        You think the 2nd Amendment is the only one of the Bill of rights assuring state authority/power? - NedoftheHill - 3:59pm 8/30/25
        How about responding to Justice Warren Burger’s statement on the 2nd Amendment…you know, - TyroneIrish - 4:12pm 8/30/25
        
        Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin and Mao agreed with you and Chris [NT] - iairishcheeks - 10:54am 8/30/25
        Indeed, governments kill far more people than individual actors. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 4:01pm 8/30/25
        
        Australia, Canada, UK...and many other Democracies have strict gun laws that ban Assault Rifles. - TyroneIrish - 11:13am 8/30/25
        Do more people want to move to Australia, Canada, UK or the US? - iairishcheeks - 11:38am 8/30/25
        Citizens in those Democracies that banned Assault Rifles didn't need to choose between staying or - TyroneIrish - 12:14pm 8/30/25
        Death by vehicle, knife, bomb, airplane; dead is dead. [NT] - iairishcheeks - 12:31pm 8/30/25
        "Perfection is the Enemy of Good"...our realistic goal is to REDUCE the number of gun deaths in our - TyroneIrish - 12:38pm 8/30/25
        It would not, it would probably increase mass murder deaths overall. - iairishcheeks - 12:46pm 8/30/25
        Why are you ignoring the "Means" issue? Our military certainly didn't when it chose the AR-15 for - TyroneIrish - 1:55pm 8/30/25
        Why are you ignoring the motive issue? [NT] - iairishcheeks - 2:03pm 8/30/25
        I"m not...can you comprehend the meaning of "Walking and Chewing Gum at the same time"? [NT] - TyroneIrish - 2:27pm 8/30/25
        You're not doing either. [NT] - iairishcheeks - 4:17pm 8/30/25
        Your Avoidance Strategy isn't going over very well...Assault Rifles are of no benefit to the - TyroneIrish - 12:09am 8/31/25
      - Examining the ratification of 2A more closely - Quest4twelve - 8:18am 8/30/25
        Do you think limiting private ownership to .22LR bolt action rifles would be constitutional? [NT] - NedoftheHill - 9:52am 8/30/25
        "The .22 LR is the second most common firearm type traced in crimes in the U.S., following the 9mm." - iairishcheeks - 9:56am 8/30/25
        Not when it comes to Mass Killings of School Children...or Las Vegas Concert attendees. [NT] - TyroneIrish - 12:39pm 8/30/25
        Do you disagree that Molotov cocktails would have killed more kids in that church? [NT] - iairishcheeks - 12:48pm 8/30/25
        We'll deal with that when they become the prevalent means of Mass Killings...right now we're - TyroneIrish - 1:58pm 8/30/25
        You could give every man, woman and child an AR-15 and 99.999% would not kill a soul with it. [NT] - iairishcheeks - 4:22pm 8/30/25
        So, you're good with the Minneapolis, Sandy Hook, Parkland, Las Vegas and scores of other Mass - TyroneIrish - 6:36pm 8/30/25
      - The hilarity of Tyrone trying to act like a ballistics expert is fun. - iairishcheeks - 8:08am 8/30/25
        As a teenager, I was chosen to run a BSA Rifle Range...I know a little about rifles and ammunition. - TyroneIrish - 12:42pm 8/30/25
        Rolleyes. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 4:02pm 8/30/25
        
        That experience with 22LR, what 70 years ago(?) doesn't make you an expert at all. [NT] - iairishcheeks - 12:49pm 8/30/25
        Not claiming to be an "Expert"...and it doesn't take an expert to appreciate the difference in [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 1:45pm 8/30/25
        Right, because those are the only two options. [NT] - iairishcheeks - 2:04pm 8/30/25
        Rapid firing of highly damaging ammunition is something we can ban and dramatically reduce the - TyroneIrish - 2:32pm 8/30/25
        
        Indeed. Most gun banners do not understand what they are trying to ban. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 9:53am 8/30/25
        They want the Deuce Deuce as Biggie used to rap about. [NT] - iairishcheeks - 9:56am 8/30/25
        
        The shapeshifter...except for his ultimate goal... [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 8:15am 8/30/25