The anti vaccine and "COVID is overhyped" crowd have been arguing that it really just a bad flu that killed scores of unhealthy people who were going to die anyway.
And that's bullshit. Unhealthy people were indeed more vulnerable to COVID's impact on the body, but COVID was the killer.
Vaccinations changed the deadly risks associated with COVID, and freed up thousands of hospital beds.
Hence, the outrage over RFK Junior's efforts to remove the CDC's capacity to make sure vaccines are safe and easily accessible for Americans.
Yes it is. You assert that "COVID deaths" are not really from COVID, but from underlying illnesses.
Replies to: "Yes it is. You assert that "COVID deaths" are not really from COVID, but from underlying illnesses."
- WHO explanation of how COViD deaths are tracked, since there’s some ignorance hete [LINK]
- LanceManion - 9:55am 9/6/25
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- There's an inherent weirdness here. - iairishcheeks - 1:50pm 9/6/25
- Per Leftists, China would never lie on data like that. China just respects life more than we do. [NT]
- NedoftheHill - 5:08pm 9/6/25
- You may note that no one wants to comment on the incongruity, much less address it. [NT] - iairishcheeks - 2:37am 9/7/25
- COVID was over-reported as “cause of death”, no doubt. - LanceManion - 3:34pm 9/6/25
- Actually, there is a strong argument for "Under-Reporting" of COVID deaths in the U.S.... [LINK]
- TyroneIrish - 6:52pm 9/6/25
- We agree. The numbers weren’t reliable. [NT]
- LanceManion - 8:15am 9/7/25
- You forget the days of refrigerated semi-trucks being used as temporary morgues in hospital parking - TyroneIrish - 10:02am 9/7/25
- We agree. The numbers weren’t reliable. [NT]
- LanceManion - 8:15am 9/7/25
- Actually, there is a strong argument for "Under-Reporting" of COVID deaths in the U.S.... [LINK]
- TyroneIrish - 6:52pm 9/6/25
- Think and Research before posting, Cheeks... [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 2:54pm 9/6/25
- Nothing weird about it, other countries implemented strict adherence to rules during Covid that - Quest4twelve - 2:54pm 9/6/25
- A more persuasive argument would be the other countries did a poor job counting deaths [NT] - LanceManion - 3:39pm 9/6/25
- This is hilarious. Show us the evidence that lockdowns accomplished this with clear causality - MAS - 3:00pm 9/6/25
- Save your breath. This is like DEI to these people. No need for rational thought. [NT] - LanceManion - 3:41pm 9/6/25
- What, like closing beaches and filling in skate parks with sand? [NT] - iairishcheeks - 2:56pm 9/6/25
- Per Leftists, China would never lie on data like that. China just respects life more than we do. [NT]
- NedoftheHill - 5:08pm 9/6/25
- This is so weird - Chris94 - 11:26am 9/6/25
- Stick with the humanities. Q412 understands the point. Here is the key part. - LanceManion - 12:33pm 9/6/25
- Lance, COVID-19 is a 'Systemic Disease"...it affects multiple organs...i.e. any organ that has ACE2 [LINK]
- TyroneIrish - 1:09pm 9/6/25
- You are getting much closer to answering my simple question [NT] - LanceManion - 1:14pm 9/6/25
- The key factor is hospitalization rates post COVID vaccine. [LINK]
- conorlarkin - 12:43pm 9/6/25
- Very interesting but in no way relevant to the discussion [NT]
- LanceManion - 12:53pm 9/6/25
- Yes it is. You assert that "COVID deaths" are not really from COVID, but from underlying illnesses. - conorlarkin - 1:03pm 9/6/25
- Not sure that is true. Call covid the underlying illness if you like. - LanceManion - 1:16pm 9/6/25
- Yes it is. You assert that "COVID deaths" are not really from COVID, but from underlying illnesses. - conorlarkin - 1:03pm 9/6/25
- Very interesting but in no way relevant to the discussion [NT]
- LanceManion - 12:53pm 9/6/25
- Lance, COVID-19 is a 'Systemic Disease"...it affects multiple organs...i.e. any organ that has ACE2 [LINK]
- TyroneIrish - 1:09pm 9/6/25
- Stick with the humanities. Q412 understands the point. Here is the key part. - LanceManion - 12:33pm 9/6/25
- People also die of complications of AIDS and cancer. Your point? [NT]
- Quest4twelve - 10:54am 9/6/25
- He thinks he is clever. [NT]
- Chris94 - 11:26am 9/6/25
- Not trying to be clever, just trying to understand what COMPLICATION the dude below died from. [NT] - LanceManion - 12:35pm 9/6/25
- Thank you. That’s the point. [NT]
- LanceManion - 10:56am 9/6/25
- Not the point at all. With out the primary sickness they don't die from the secondary symptoms. [NT]
- Quest4twelve - 12:52pm 9/6/25
- Did everyone who died with Covid die the same way? [NT]
- LanceManion - 12:54pm 9/6/25
- COVID-19 is a "Systemic Disease"...(see my earlier post) - TyroneIrish - 1:16pm 9/6/25
- It sure is [NT]
- LanceManion - 1:17pm 9/6/25
- Then what is your point? [NT]
- TyroneIrish - 1:24pm 9/6/25
- You admit below that you don’t know how he died just that he had Covid. - LanceManion - 1:26pm 9/6/25
- Here's a more impartial perspective on this issue... [LINK]
- TyroneIrish - 2:15pm 9/6/25
- Thank you. [NT]
- LanceManion - 3:44pm 9/6/25
- You're welcome... [NT] - TyroneIrish - 4:06pm 9/6/25
- Thank you. [NT]
- LanceManion - 3:44pm 9/6/25
- Were it not for the COVID virus infection, my friend would not have died...simple as that. COVID - TyroneIrish - 1:35pm 9/6/25
- Sounds like that’s what you heard. [NT] - LanceManion - 3:44pm 9/6/25
- Here's a more impartial perspective on this issue... [LINK]
- TyroneIrish - 2:15pm 9/6/25
- You admit below that you don’t know how he died just that he had Covid. - LanceManion - 1:26pm 9/6/25
- Then what is your point? [NT]
- TyroneIrish - 1:24pm 9/6/25
- It sure is [NT]
- LanceManion - 1:17pm 9/6/25
- COVID-19 is a "Systemic Disease"...(see my earlier post) - TyroneIrish - 1:16pm 9/6/25
- Did everyone who died with Covid die the same way? [NT]
- LanceManion - 12:54pm 9/6/25
- Not the point at all. With out the primary sickness they don't die from the secondary symptoms. [NT]
- Quest4twelve - 12:52pm 9/6/25
- He thinks he is clever. [NT]
- Chris94 - 11:26am 9/6/25
- There's an inherent weirdness here. - iairishcheeks - 1:50pm 9/6/25