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Here's a more impartial perspective on this issue...

Author: TyroneIrish (21607 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)
Posted at 2:15 pm on Sep 6, 2025
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...from the attached study...
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Abstract

Infection by the new corona virus strain SARS-CoV-2 and its related syndrome COVID-19 has been associated with more than two million deaths worldwide. Patients of higher age and with preexisting chronic health conditions are at an increased risk of fatal disease outcome. However, detailed information on causes of death and the contribution of pre-existing health conditions to death yet is missing, which can be reliably established by autopsy only. We performed full body autopsies on 26 patients that had died after SARS-CoV-2 infection and COVID-19 at the Charité University Hospital Berlin, Germany, or at associated teaching hospitals. We systematically evaluated causes of death and pre-existing health conditions. Additionally, clinical records and death certificates were evaluated. We report findings on causes of death and comorbidities of 26 decedents that had clinically presented with severe COVID-19. We found that septic shock and multi organ failure was the most common immediate cause of death, often due to suppurative pulmonary infection. Respiratory failure due to diffuse alveolar damage presented as immediate cause of death in fewer cases. Several comorbidities, such as hypertension, ischemic heart disease, and obesity were present in the vast majority of patients. Our findings reveal that causes of death were directly related to COVID-19 in the majority of decedents, while they appear not to be an immediate result of preexisting health conditions and comorbidities. We therefore suggest that the majority of patients had died of COVID-19 with only contributory implications of preexisting health conditions to the mechanism of death.

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Another way to look at this is to view COVID-19 as the "Forcing Function" leading to death of patients with managed comorbidities (as opposed to diagnosed terminal conditions).

And as for my friend, I never heard him mention a serious physical condition he was concerned about, nor did I grill his son about it after he called me to give me the news of his passing.

IMO you are showing indications of a 'Comorbidity' known as "Boorishness"...


Link: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7895917/

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Replies to: "Here's a more impartial perspective on this issue..."

  • WHO explanation of how COViD deaths are tracked, since there’s some ignorance hete [LINK] - LanceManion - 9:55am 9/6/25 (36) [View All]
    • There's an inherent weirdness here. - iairishcheeks - 1:50pm 9/6/25
      • Per Leftists, China would never lie on data like that. China just respects life more than we do. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 5:08pm 9/6/25
        • You may note that no one wants to comment on the incongruity, much less address it. [NT] - iairishcheeks - 2:37am 9/7/25
      • COVID was over-reported as “cause of death”, no doubt. - LanceManion - 3:34pm 9/6/25
        • Actually, there is a strong argument for "Under-Reporting" of COVID deaths in the U.S.... [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 6:52pm 9/6/25
          • We agree. The numbers weren’t reliable. [NT] - LanceManion - 8:15am 9/7/25
            • You forget the days of refrigerated semi-trucks being used as temporary morgues in hospital parking - TyroneIrish - 10:02am 9/7/25
      • Think and Research before posting, Cheeks... [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 2:54pm 9/6/25
      • Nothing weird about it, other countries implemented strict adherence to rules during Covid that - Quest4twelve - 2:54pm 9/6/25
        • A more persuasive argument would be the other countries did a poor job counting deaths [NT] - LanceManion - 3:39pm 9/6/25
        • This is hilarious. Show us the evidence that lockdowns accomplished this with clear causality - MAS - 3:00pm 9/6/25
          • Save your breath. This is like DEI to these people. No need for rational thought. [NT] - LanceManion - 3:41pm 9/6/25
        • What, like closing beaches and filling in skate parks with sand? [NT] - iairishcheeks - 2:56pm 9/6/25
    • This is so weird - Chris94 - 11:26am 9/6/25
      • Stick with the humanities. Q412 understands the point. Here is the key part. - LanceManion - 12:33pm 9/6/25
        • Lance, COVID-19 is a 'Systemic Disease"...it affects multiple organs...i.e. any organ that has ACE2 [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 1:09pm 9/6/25
          • You are getting much closer to answering my simple question [NT] - LanceManion - 1:14pm 9/6/25
        • The key factor is hospitalization rates post COVID vaccine. [LINK] - conorlarkin - 12:43pm 9/6/25
          • Very interesting but in no way relevant to the discussion [NT] - LanceManion - 12:53pm 9/6/25
            • Yes it is. You assert that "COVID deaths" are not really from COVID, but from underlying illnesses. - conorlarkin - 1:03pm 9/6/25
              • Not sure that is true. Call covid the underlying illness if you like. - LanceManion - 1:16pm 9/6/25
    • People also die of complications of AIDS and cancer. Your point? [NT] - Quest4twelve - 10:54am 9/6/25
      • He thinks he is clever. [NT] - Chris94 - 11:26am 9/6/25
        • Not trying to be clever, just trying to understand what COMPLICATION the dude below died from. [NT] - LanceManion - 12:35pm 9/6/25
      • Thank you. That’s the point. [NT] - LanceManion - 10:56am 9/6/25
        • Not the point at all. With out the primary sickness they don't die from the secondary symptoms. [NT] - Quest4twelve - 12:52pm 9/6/25
          • Did everyone who died with Covid die the same way? [NT] - LanceManion - 12:54pm 9/6/25
            • COVID-19 is a "Systemic Disease"...(see my earlier post) - TyroneIrish - 1:16pm 9/6/25
              • It sure is [NT] - LanceManion - 1:17pm 9/6/25
                • Then what is your point? [NT] - TyroneIrish - 1:24pm 9/6/25
                  • You admit below that you don’t know how he died just that he had Covid. - LanceManion - 1:26pm 9/6/25
                    • Here's a more impartial perspective on this issue... [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 2:15pm 9/6/25
                      • Thank you. [NT] - LanceManion - 3:44pm 9/6/25
                        • You're welcome... [NT] - TyroneIrish - 4:06pm 9/6/25
                    • Were it not for the COVID virus infection, my friend would not have died...simple as that. COVID - TyroneIrish - 1:35pm 9/6/25
                      • Sounds like that’s what you heard. [NT] - LanceManion - 3:44pm 9/6/25
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