understand how they came to be in this crisis...their pleas for assistance started way back in time...even Obama was championing their cause by imploring Congress to open more visas for them before he left office...yet Donald Trump is on record for denying that expansion as soon as he took office (March, 2017) and what's more egregious, stopping any more processing of those that were in the pipeline.
Given that it must take several months of processing to clear even one applicant - of thousands that desperately wanted those visas - it is stupidity to assign all, or even a part, of the blame to Biden when all of this could have been minimized by the Trump administration having a) pushed aggressively for more visas and faster processing when he took office...and b) negotiating an exit date (in consultation with the incoming Biden administration) that allowed for the processing of all applicants...instead, they (Trump) set a date only four months after Biden's inauguration...Biden did well to extend it to September.
If you can't see the relevance here, then IMO, you're being willfully ignorant.
When people are justifiably concerned for the welfare of our Afghani allies, it is important to
Replies to: "When people are justifiably concerned for the welfare of our Afghani allies, it is important to"
- The crisis for our Afghan allies started long ago...read the attached article... [LINK]
- TyroneIrish - 12:41pm 8/16/21
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- Lol. It's Trump's fault! That's the spin you guys are going with? Of course it is. [NT]
- BaronVonZemo - 2:36pm 8/16/21
- I'm not making any of this up...the facts are there...Trump bolted the door as soon as he took over - TyroneIrish - 3:02pm 8/16/21
- Trump's concerns wrt VISA's to terrorists in 2017 is irrelevant. Biden had choice of when withdrawal - BaronVonZemo - 3:07pm 8/16/21
- You can run, but you can't hide from the facts as presented...Trump did all he could to keep our - TyroneIrish - 3:46pm 8/16/21
- Poor Joe had no choice but to call for the withdrawal prematurely. Dang that Trump! Lol. Dolt. [NT]
- BaronVonZemo - 4:07pm 8/16/21
- It's taking you awhile, but you're starting to get it...the date was set by Trump's negotiation with - TyroneIrish - 5:15pm 8/16/21
- biden was not bound by trump’s plan. He moved up the date to insure failure. - Aragoto - 5:21pm 8/16/21
- Your conjecture would have more legs if you said Trump's May 1 date helped ensure failure...but [LINK]
- TyroneIrish - 5:33pm 8/16/21
- Bullshit. Biden was not bound by Trump’s plan. Period. - Aragoto - 6:26pm 8/16/21
- Fact of the matter is that the Trump's May 1 date was insanely tight...Biden got four more months... - TyroneIrish - 6:46pm 8/16/21
- Agree that your BS is weak...agree that joe just followed Trump’s plan. [NT] - Aragoto - 7:41pm 8/16/21
- Fact of the matter is that the Trump's May 1 date was insanely tight...Biden got four more months... - TyroneIrish - 6:46pm 8/16/21
- Bullshit. Biden was not bound by Trump’s plan. Period. - Aragoto - 6:26pm 8/16/21
- Your conjecture would have more legs if you said Trump's May 1 date helped ensure failure...but [LINK]
- TyroneIrish - 5:33pm 8/16/21
- biden was not bound by trump’s plan. He moved up the date to insure failure. - Aragoto - 5:21pm 8/16/21
- It's taking you awhile, but you're starting to get it...the date was set by Trump's negotiation with - TyroneIrish - 5:15pm 8/16/21
- Poor Joe had no choice but to call for the withdrawal prematurely. Dang that Trump! Lol. Dolt. [NT]
- BaronVonZemo - 4:07pm 8/16/21
- You can run, but you can't hide from the facts as presented...Trump did all he could to keep our - TyroneIrish - 3:46pm 8/16/21
- Trump's concerns wrt VISA's to terrorists in 2017 is irrelevant. Biden had choice of when withdrawal - BaronVonZemo - 3:07pm 8/16/21
- I'm not making any of this up...the facts are there...Trump bolted the door as soon as he took over - TyroneIrish - 3:02pm 8/16/21
- rashida sez it started in the 80's when we backed the Taliban before it was founded in 1994. [LINK]
- Aragoto - 1:27pm 8/16/21
- That my good man, is the very definition of a "deflection"...and a poor one at that...Trump bolted - TyroneIrish - 2:08pm 8/16/21
- you're a hater [NT]
- Hank the Tank - 2:23pm 8/16/21
- Ty will be claiming that Biden provided air transport to the Afghanis in 2 yrs(On outside of plane). [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 3:16pm 8/16/21
- Are you completely illiterate? What does Trump have to do with Rashida's dumb comment? [NT]
- Aragoto - 2:14pm 8/16/21
- Exactly!...What has Rashida Tlaib's dumb comment go to do with my exposure of Trump's stopping - TyroneIrish - 2:34pm 8/16/21
- So,you're claiming it'sTrump's fault for withholding VISA's 2yrs ago when Biden controlled timeline - BaronVonZemo - 2:53pm 8/16/21
- You never feel motivated to check on anyone's "drivel"...not even your own :-)... - TyroneIrish - 3:54pm 8/16/21
- Again you avoid the point-Biden controlled the timeline for withdrawal. Trump's reasons in '17 were - BaronVonZemo - 3:58pm 8/16/21
- The exit date was fixed by Trump in his negotiation with the Taliban...not Biden...Biden is to be - TyroneIrish - 4:05pm 8/16/21
- No,Biden moved up date actually,&if things aren't progressing properly, an leader makes adjustments - BaronVonZemo - 4:11pm 8/16/21
- Now you're working with "whole cloth"...where is your documentation that Biden "moved up" the exit - TyroneIrish - 5:22pm 8/16/21
- Here is my documentation knucklehead - Google is your friend. Biden moved up date to 8/31/21 [LINK]
- BaronVonZemo - 5:29pm 8/16/21
- First, we need to agree that May 1, 2021 is the date Biden inherited from Trump's negotiation with - TyroneIrish - 5:51pm 8/16/21
- So Biden moved up the date, and you were wrong. [NT]
- BaronVonZemo - 7:01pm 8/16/21
- ?? How does an exit date by Biden after May 1 constitute "moving the date UP?" ?? - TyroneIrish - 1:10am 8/17/21
- So Biden moved up the date, and you were wrong. [NT]
- BaronVonZemo - 7:01pm 8/16/21
- First, we need to agree that May 1, 2021 is the date Biden inherited from Trump's negotiation with - TyroneIrish - 5:51pm 8/16/21
- Here is my documentation knucklehead - Google is your friend. Biden moved up date to 8/31/21 [LINK]
- BaronVonZemo - 5:29pm 8/16/21
- Now you're working with "whole cloth"...where is your documentation that Biden "moved up" the exit - TyroneIrish - 5:22pm 8/16/21
- No,Biden moved up date actually,&if things aren't progressing properly, an leader makes adjustments - BaronVonZemo - 4:11pm 8/16/21
- The exit date was fixed by Trump in his negotiation with the Taliban...not Biden...Biden is to be - TyroneIrish - 4:05pm 8/16/21
- Again you avoid the point-Biden controlled the timeline for withdrawal. Trump's reasons in '17 were - BaronVonZemo - 3:58pm 8/16/21
- Even CNN called bullshit on Joe's claim regarding Afghani visas last month. [LINK]
- Aragoto - 2:56pm 8/16/21
- There's a huge difference between Trump slamming the door on any Special Visas at all, and Biden - TyroneIrish - 3:59pm 8/16/21
- Tell that to CNN. They called BS on JB. [NT] - Aragoto - 5:23pm 8/16/21
- Biden had 1 1/2 yrs for a few thousand VISA's. Still, after 2 decades,why rush before we were ready? - BaronVonZemo - 4:19pm 8/16/21
- Once again...(so many posts to cover)...Biden admin got bi-partisan support for a Bill that includes - TyroneIrish - 12:54am 8/17/21
- There's a huge difference between Trump slamming the door on any Special Visas at all, and Biden - TyroneIrish - 3:59pm 8/16/21
- You never feel motivated to check on anyone's "drivel"...not even your own :-)... - TyroneIrish - 3:54pm 8/16/21
- Pretty obvious. You can't be serious. - Aragoto - 2:45pm 8/16/21
- "The rashisda post was to show how ridiculous the lib blame game has gotten"...i.e. nothing to do - TyroneIrish - 4:24pm 8/16/21
- Spell much? Very little accuracy in most of what you say. - Aragoto - 5:14pm 8/16/21
- "The rashisda post was to show how ridiculous the lib blame game has gotten"...i.e. nothing to do - TyroneIrish - 4:24pm 8/16/21
- So,you're claiming it'sTrump's fault for withholding VISA's 2yrs ago when Biden controlled timeline - BaronVonZemo - 2:53pm 8/16/21
- Exactly!...What has Rashida Tlaib's dumb comment go to do with my exposure of Trump's stopping - TyroneIrish - 2:34pm 8/16/21
- Once again I’ll repeat. Is Trump still President? I though Biden was. Do you not understand your - PBHangingChad - 2:12pm 8/16/21
- When people are justifiably concerned for the welfare of our Afghani allies, it is important to - TyroneIrish - 2:47pm 8/16/21
- How hard is it to post with Biden’s cock in your ass? [NT] - PBHangingChad - 2:52pm 8/16/21
- When people are justifiably concerned for the welfare of our Afghani allies, it is important to - TyroneIrish - 2:47pm 8/16/21
- you're a hater [NT]
- Hank the Tank - 2:23pm 8/16/21
- That my good man, is the very definition of a "deflection"...and a poor one at that...Trump bolted - TyroneIrish - 2:08pm 8/16/21
- There was never going to be an easy way to close out 20 years of failure. [NT]
- ND521 - 1:10pm 8/16/21
- Yes, but he consciously or unconsciously chose the worst way to do it. - Frank L - 1:17pm 8/16/21
- Only if Potus was aware that the Afghan military had a deal to let the Taliban take over. Military - ND521 - 1:45pm 8/16/21
- Maybe he should have. Buck stops with him. If he and the IC didn’t consider that then shame on them. [NT] - Frank L - 1:57pm 8/16/21
- Only if Potus was aware that the Afghan military had a deal to let the Taliban take over. Military - ND521 - 1:45pm 8/16/21
- Yes, but he consciously or unconsciously chose the worst way to do it. - Frank L - 1:17pm 8/16/21
- Stop, lot's of blame to go around... - 86domer - 1:10pm 8/16/21
- One more thing...the exit date was originally set for May of this year...again, by the preceding - TyroneIrish - 1:52pm 8/16/21
- For me, changes nothing. Previous guys made bad choices... so what. - 86domer - 2:21pm 8/16/21
- Ty claims the previous people made bad choices...big,big difference. But even so, yeah. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 3:10pm 8/16/21
- Yeah to borrow a conorisim, he needs to hump his own shit on this one. [NT]
- Frank L - 2:27pm 8/16/21
- Amen brotha [NT] - 86domer - 2:28pm 8/16/21
- Let me ask you a question. Could Biden have thrown out Trumps plan? If so why didn’t he? - PBHangingChad - 1:55pm 8/16/21
- You brought up the question...did you even try to find an answer before posting?...was that a smart - TyroneIrish - 2:19pm 8/16/21
- C’mon Ty he could have found plenty of reason not to have fully left if he wanted. - Frank L - 2:37pm 8/16/21
- You’re helpless. You are so deluded you can’t see what is happening in front of you. [NT] - PBHangingChad - 2:29pm 8/16/21
- Yeah it it is unseemly like the whiny cultists defending Orange with the whatabouts. - Frank L - 1:59pm 8/16/21
- You brought up the question...did you even try to find an answer before posting?...was that a smart - TyroneIrish - 2:19pm 8/16/21
- For me, changes nothing. Previous guys made bad choices... so what. - 86domer - 2:21pm 8/16/21
- 86 look up for my post. Sorry meant for you. Best. [NT]
- PBHangingChad - 1:26pm 8/16/21
- Cheers - 86domer - 1:35pm 8/16/21
- Correct. Good analysis. The Pentagon though did want to double our presence and leave 5K there. - Frank L - 1:13pm 8/16/21
- That's fair and certainly that 5K looks like a better option based on what we are seeing - 86domer - 1:27pm 8/16/21
- So was I and I own it. - Frank L - 1:33pm 8/16/21
- That's fair and certainly that 5K looks like a better option based on what we are seeing - 86domer - 1:27pm 8/16/21
- One more thing...the exit date was originally set for May of this year...again, by the preceding - TyroneIrish - 1:52pm 8/16/21
- It's a complicated process. Your assessment is simple-minded. [LINK] - Aragoto - 12:56pm 8/16/21
- Laetare participation medal-winner gets full credit for this [NT] - humbaba - 12:52pm 8/16/21
- so DJT is at fault [NT]
- Hank the Tank - 12:45pm 8/16/21
- You think he bears no fault for this? So typical. [NT] - Frank L - 12:47pm 8/16/21
- It started as soon as it became a nation building exercise. We should have sent our guys in and - Frank L - 12:44pm 8/16/21
- Yep carpet bomb and no boots on the ground. Until we meet our enemies evil this will continue to - PBHangingChad - 12:47pm 8/16/21
- (chuckling) [NT] - MAS - 12:43pm 8/16/21
- Can you STFU blaming everything on Trump? Who is the president now. You are ridiculous - PBHangingChad - 12:42pm 8/16/21
- Good heavens...if only there was an expiration date on the effects of Trump's actions...sadly, we - TyroneIrish - 7:09pm 8/16/21
- Trump's decision wasn't stupid. Biden's execution was. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 2:39pm 8/16/21
- Lol. It's Trump's fault! That's the spin you guys are going with? Of course it is. [NT]
- BaronVonZemo - 2:36pm 8/16/21