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Having restated the correct position of the Church, I suggest we discuss abortion's secular aspects

Author: NedoftheHill (45223 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)
Posted at 5:46 pm on Oct 6, 2025
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Then we don't have to listen to you try to lead people astray, and after all, my legal position on abortion is not based on religion. I don't try to have the state regulate purely religious matters; for example, I would oppose any legislation requiring you to attend church on Sunday. That is a religious issue, and it would be improper for the state to regulate such behavior. But homicide is a type of behavior which is properly regulated by the state.

Science demonstrates that a new human has been created, one with a unique set of DNA. So, abortion ends the life of a human being. That is not a question or an opinion or a religious viewpoint. We know this to be true, objectively.

Now, two basic premises of our laws as a civilized society. Let me know if you disagree with one or both:
- The law should not strip individual humans of their individual human rights.
- The law should not transfer harm from one individual to an innocent individual. If harm can be transferred, it can only be transferred to a guilty individual. Otherwise, it must remain with the first victim, to avoid creating additional victims.

Homicide is properly regulated by the State. Science shows us that abortion is just one type of homicide. Any moral legal system should prevent society from killing innocent people as an intended goal. Just like first degree murder is not left to individual beliefs (because the state wants to stop innocent people from being killed), the same is true for abortion (assuming the state wants to stop innocent people from being killed).


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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.

Replies to: "Having restated the correct position of the Church, I suggest we discuss abortion's secular aspects"

  • Meet the new pope. Same as the old pope. - ELP - 8:42pm 10/1/25 (22) [View All]
    • Dick Durbin is Pro-Women's Right to Choose....btw, when are you going to reply to the question that - TyroneIrish - 9:31pm 10/1/25
      • Answering questions from you isn't a requirement. I know it bugs you. [NT] - ELP - 10:21pm 10/1/25
        • He has zero moral standing on this until he reads Dr. Risch's paper [NT] - MarkHarman - 12:16am 10/2/25
          • Read the letters from Dr. Risch's Peers at Yale and the Journal of Epidemiology publicly - TyroneIrish - 1:00am 10/2/25
        • This is a Forum for discussion, ELP...but for you it seems to be just a one-way Graffiti board...I'm - TyroneIrish - 11:02pm 10/1/25
          • This forum is for comments & discussion. I comment. Not interested in your long winded discussions. [NT] - ELP - 8:04am 10/2/25
            • You want to be listened to…but won’t return the favor…see the problem? [NT] - TyroneIrish - 8:50am 10/2/25
              • Yea. You. No one is forcing you to read (listen) to my comments. Let it go already. [NT] - ELP - 10:29am 10/2/25
                • No ELP, it’s you…polls have been taken nearly every year since Roe v Wade, and only 10-20% of - TyroneIrish - 8:39am 10/3/25
      • If someone hands you a baby girl, and then runs away, are you allowed to smash her skull? - NedoftheHill - 9:43pm 10/1/25
        • More on the second part of your post… - TyroneIrish - 8:36am 10/2/25
          • You again misrepresent the Catholic Church's position, which I reproduce here for you now, again. [LINK] - NedoftheHill - 5:39pm 10/6/25
            • Having restated the correct position of the Church, I suggest we discuss abortion's secular aspects - NedoftheHill - 5:46pm 10/6/25
        • Millions of women subjected to forced or coerced pregnancies are not representative of - TyroneIrish - 7:07am 10/2/25
          • Millions? What percentage of abortions are due to forced pregnancies? - NedoftheHill - 5:31pm 10/6/25
        • That's not at all the real world situation I'm presenting...back up and answer the question. [NT] - TyroneIrish - 11:03pm 10/1/25
          • I guess you didn't read the body of my post. - NedoftheHill - 11:46pm 10/1/25
            • My question is about what's actually going on in the real world...please answer it, since it - TyroneIrish - 12:02am 10/2/25
              • My answer dealt with what's going on in the real world. Did you mention the person you are killing? [NT] - NedoftheHill - 5:56pm 10/6/25
    • Chicagoland hit its three-millionth official all-time abortion this year, so it was only fitting to - MAS - 9:10pm 10/1/25
      • Margaret Sanger was successful. Black children are the most aborted children. - NedoftheHill - 9:54pm 10/1/25
        • It's almost like the Church hierarchy is purposely trying to alienate their members. - ELP - 10:31pm 10/1/25
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