Absolutely not. Rights CAN be infringed upon.

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Absolutely not. Rights CAN be infringed upon.

Author: jakers (14253 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 9:33 am on Nov 12, 2025

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Your right to not be assaulted or murdered can be infringed upon. Ditto your right to Free Speech. And we have remediations for those who have their rights infringed upon.

But no one has to give me anything when it comes to rights. I enjoy them by existing as a citizen in this country and living in accordance with the laws. No one has to provide me a service to enjoy those rights.

Replies to: "Absolutely not. Rights CAN be infringed upon."

The Republicans need to come up with an alternative health care plan or they will get demolished - Curly1918 - 1:54pm 11/11/25 (60) [View All]
- Boehner and co, offered a single sided large font 2 page bullet point HC plan - jimbasil - 3:06pm 11/11/25
  - How come Nancy Pelosi said something to the effect that we don't know if it will work until we try - THEISMANCARR - 7:57am 11/12/25
    - Because the ACA was a compromise among several competing interests...fortunately, she helped get it - TyroneIrish - 11:04am 11/12/25
    - Ask her. Also, what is it you think you’re saying? [NT] - jimbasil - 10:00am 11/12/25
- It's been 15 yrs now and the GOP hasn't offered anything, nor has it opposed Insurance Co's - TyroneIrish - 2:48pm 11/11/25
- I'm with Bernie: Health care should be deemed a basic human right in America. [LINK] - conorlarkin - 2:35pm 11/11/25
  - So now you don't understand what a "right" is. [NT] - jakers - 4:06pm 11/11/25
    - I do. It's why I believe in due process, even for people of color or for undocumented immigrants. - conorlarkin - 5:24pm 11/11/25
      - Health Care isn't a right. Access to it is. [NT] - jakers - 5:43pm 11/11/25
    - Something all people should be given by virtue of their birth - Chris94 - 4:25pm 11/11/25
      - No. A right doesn't require anyone else to do anything for you. [NT] - jakers - 5:43pm 11/11/25
        That's an odd way to think about it - Chris94 - 6:59pm 11/11/25
        Rights do not depend on anyone giving you anything. - jakers - 11:29pm 11/11/25
        Natural rights vs. rights existent as a result of installed government systems. [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 9:24am 11/12/25
        
        I suppose that’s one way to look at it - Chris94 - 7:57am 11/12/25
        Absolutely not. Rights CAN be infringed upon. - jakers - 9:33am 11/12/25
        
        What if AI and robots provide the services? [NT] - iairishcheeks - 12:04am 11/12/25
        "WALL-E World"? - TakethetrainKnute - 9:33am 11/12/25
        The battle over the Right to AI is just around the corner [NT] - iairishcheeks - 9:55am 11/12/25
        
        Do they have a right to be in your classes? All of them? - iairishcheeks - 9:14pm 11/11/25
        
        What about the right to counsel? See Strickland v Washington. [NT] - conorlarkin - 5:47pm 11/11/25
        Access. [NT] - jakers - 6:32pm 11/11/25
      - You have just proclaimed The Right To Life. - Hensou - 5:14pm 11/11/25
        Since even the RCC has never taught that Personhood begins at conception, a woman's - TyroneIrish - 6:09pm 11/11/25
        Re: Since even the RCC has never taught that Personhood begins at conception, a woman's - MarkHarman - 10:21pm 11/11/25
        Go ask Hensou for his source...I've provided not only Pope Francis' recent statement that Fetal - TyroneIrish - 2:07am 11/12/25
        
        Quit lying about the Church's position on abortion. - jakers - 6:33pm 11/11/25
        Since the poster with multiple usernames bailed, what have you to say in response to the facts - TyroneIrish - 8:40pm 11/11/25
        
        He’s preaching heresy. - Hensou - 6:49pm 11/11/25
        I knew you weren't serious about "Ignoring" me...are you ready to re-engage, or go back into hiding? - TyroneIrish - 7:41pm 11/11/25
        I have you on Ignore. But I saw your Satanic heresy before I signed on. - Hensou - 7:56pm 11/11/25
        As expected...Always a "One Way" conversation...typical of those without the courage of their - TyroneIrish - 8:35pm 11/11/25
        
        I’ve already presented the facts to back me up, Jake… - TyroneIrish - 6:44pm 11/11/25
        No. You twisted and bastardized selective quotes. [NT] - jakers - 11:24pm 11/11/25
        Not true...I gave you direct quotes and citations...which ones do you disagree with...Pope Francis?, - TyroneIrish - 12:47am 11/12/25
        You've been given the Pope's direct statements on abortion. You willfully ignore them. [NT] - jakers - 9:28am 11/12/25
        Not true...the RCC terms Killing as an Intrinsic Evil...yet, under Certain Circumstances, it - TyroneIrish - 5:09pm 11/12/25
        And he was clear on abortion. Quit pretending otherwise. [NT] - jakers - 5:36pm 11/12/25
        
        Tyrone deliberately massages the phrase "it is debated" uttered by the Pope (inartfully) into a lie - TakethetrainKnute - 10:30am 11/12/25
        Face up to it, Knute, Pope Francis could have said...but never did...that Personhood begins at - TyroneIrish - 11:30am 11/12/25
        Nothing to face up to, Ty. My point stands correctly as stated... - TakethetrainKnute - 12:01pm 11/12/25
        Your choice...but as I mentioned to Jakers...there are literally Millions of others in this country - TyroneIrish - 5:01pm 11/12/25
        
        Of course that's his tactic, encouraged as part of this stupid gig he's doing here for his group. - jakers - 10:48am 11/12/25
        80-90% of Americans (i.e. Many Millions) agree with what I'm saying...so show a little respect for - TyroneIrish - 11:43am 11/12/25
        Off you run on a stupid tangent to dodge owning your misrepresentation. - jakers - 3:15pm 11/12/25
        It's the God's Honest Truth, Jake...you are the one in the small minority on this issue...it's up to - TyroneIrish - 5:03pm 11/12/25
        You did it again. [NT] - jakers - 5:36pm 11/12/25
  - Basic healthcare and public education should not be profit centers. [NT] - LanceManion - 3:06pm 11/11/25
    - Agreed. [NT] - TyroneIrish - 3:09pm 11/11/25
  - Just as everyone needs Utilities...everyone needs Health Care, so that industry needs to be treated - TyroneIrish - 3:05pm 11/11/25
  - That's the same thing I've been talking about. - iairishcheeks - 3:02pm 11/11/25
  - Not surprised you are with the Communist/Socialist. - PaND - 2:52pm 11/11/25
- Would single payor be more expensive? Bridge the gap between Medicare & Medicaid. [NT] - LanceManion - 2:33pm 11/11/25
  - What happens to the 60% of the population who are happy with their employer policies? - Curly1918 - 3:13pm 11/11/25
    - Supplemental policies and narrow networks. This exists now with Medicare, Medicare Advantage and - LanceManion - 3:18pm 11/11/25
  - Our current system is the most expensive in the world. - iairishcheeks - 3:00pm 11/11/25
    - We have way more people here getting it for free. [NT] - PaND - 3:25pm 11/11/25
    - The cost of prescription drugs is the largest driver of healthcare cost inflation. This seems - LanceManion - 3:05pm 11/11/25
- This is truth. We've exhausted the competition model, IMO. [NT] - iairishcheeks - 2:06pm 11/11/25
- Here is something the guy you voted for said last night that might give you some confidence - Chris94 - 1:59pm 11/11/25