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Not true...on 11/28/2022 America Magazine published Francis' remarks on fetal personhood...Francis

Author: TyroneIrish (22501 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)
Posted at 12:55 pm on Nov 13, 2025
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passed away this April, and in that time never retracted or amended what he said...i.e. "Therefore, there is a living human being, I do not say a person because this is debated, but a living human being.".

As to the claim that it was an "off the cuff" slip of the tongue...that's not true either, no more than his other comments regarding "....a living human being...". Clearly you don't want to invalidate that part of his comments, so just stop making stuff up...it ruins a reasoned discussion.

btw, just two days ago I posted a complete article from the website "Where Peter Is" that took issue with Francis' "Personhood" comment...which, btw, is an example of open Critical Thinking (see the link)...and found that Pope Francis wasn't the only Pontiff to hold and maintain that position....here (again) is the concluding paragraph from that article...
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What does all of this mean? Well, for one thing, it is clear that the Magisterium has acknowledged on multiple occasions that there is a debate about personhood. It is also clear that the Church has not always considered the life of a human person to begin at conception, nor has the Church definitively taught this. That said, the Church has always regarded abortion to be evil from the moment of conception. More recently, the Church has pushed back against the idea that “delayed personhood” is relevant to its position on the sanctity of human life from the moment of conception. It has taught instead that life, from the moment of conception should be treated and respected as a human person. Andin this, Pope Francis has always been in line with Catholic Tradition.
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Now, consider that Killing of another Person is also an 'Intrinsic Evil' in the eyes of the RCC...yet, the Catechism allows for the killing of other persons (who may indeed be totally innocent) in the case of "Just Wars" , but only under 'Certain Conditions/Circumstances', and after the use of "Prudential Judgement". We cannot ignore this fact, so let's discuss its relevance to a woman's right to make decisions regarding her ability to reproduce.


Link: https://forum.uhnd.com/forum/index.php?action=display&forumid=2&msgid=273902

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Replies to: "Not true...on 11/28/2022 America Magazine published Francis' remarks on fetal personhood...Francis"

  • Ty caught in yet another lie, this time about the RCC and "personhood" at conception - MarkHarman - 11:27pm 11/12/25 (27) [View All]
    • The Church teaches every human has a soul from conception onward. - BaronVonZemo - 12:57pm 11/13/25
      • So aborted zygotes go to heaven? Are there millions of them up there? [NT] - Chris94 - 2:16pm 11/13/25
        • Yes. Donum Vitae. [NT] - Hensou - 2:24pm 11/13/25
          • Donum Vitae does not state that... - TyroneIrish - 2:42pm 11/13/25
          • Heaven is full of zyotes then. Just floating there, without consciousness. Cool. [NT] - Chris94 - 2:34pm 11/13/25
      • I'm right here, Baron...this whole thread involves my comments on the abortion issue...address me - TyroneIrish - 1:15pm 11/13/25
    • Ty’s handlers hate Jesus and anything to do with virtue [NT] - LanceManion - 6:38am 11/13/25
      • The 80-90% of Americans who agree with me have every bit as much "Virtue" as you do, maybe - TyroneIrish - 1:28pm 11/13/25
      • Jesus has been transformed into their image and likeness. - Hensou - 9:45am 11/13/25
    • Did Google AI summaries supplant ex cathedra Papal teachings? [NT] - ND521 - 2:04am 11/13/25
    • I'll take America Magazine's verified direct quote from Pope Francis over your source, Mark...same - TyroneIrish - 1:17am 11/13/25
      • Pope Francis talking off the cuff does not equal RCC doctrine - MarkHarman - 8:22am 11/13/25
        • It was a phrase excerpted out of a discussion and then deliberately misinterpreted... - TakethetrainKnute - 9:19am 11/13/25
          • Not true...on 11/28/2022 America Magazine published Francis' remarks on fetal personhood...Francis [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 12:55pm 11/13/25
            • For the millionth time, you're trying to make a ridiculous and absurd analogy. - jakers - 1:51pm 11/13/25
          • I think this is a well-spoken and fair assessment. [NT] - Hensou - 9:29am 11/13/25
            • You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but do me the courtesy of responding to it...i.e. engage - TyroneIrish - 1:11pm 11/13/25
    • He's repeated that lie a dozen times. Expect him to repeat it here in this thread shortly. - NedoftheHill - 11:48pm 11/12/25
      • My main purpose is to reach common ground on ways to reduce the # of abortions w/o sacrificing the - TyroneIrish - 1:28am 11/13/25
        • As a "man" who is fallen away... I'm still very uncomfortable with late term abortions. [LINK] - Curly1918 - 8:32am 11/13/25
          • Let's not forget what it was like for women with unwanted pregnancies prior to Roe v Wade... [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 1:25pm 11/13/25
          • Then it’s good you won’t get pregnant especially at your advanced age. [NT] - jimbasil - 9:37am 11/13/25
        • That’s quite the pretzel [NT] - irish93 - 7:39am 11/13/25
          • Not at all... - TyroneIrish - 1:40pm 11/13/25
            • That post makes sense. The BS in your other post does not. [NT] - irish93 - 1:50pm 11/13/25
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