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Donum Vitae clearly states that human life begins at conception.

Author: Hensou (10467 Posts - Joined: Dec 21, 2022)

Posted at 8:02 pm on Nov 13, 2025

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You’re a secular humanist. I expect the flippancy but I do not embrace it.

Replies to: "Donum Vitae clearly states that human life begins at conception."

Ty caught in yet another lie, this time about the RCC and "personhood" at conception - MarkHarman - 4:27am 11/13/25 (68) [View All]
- The Church teaches every human has a soul from conception onward. - BaronVonZemo - 5:57pm 11/13/25
  - The Leadership in Baron's Medical Specialty, Obstetrics & Gynecology, has a Policy on Abortion... [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 4:45pm 11/14/25
  - So aborted zygotes go to heaven? Are there millions of them up there? [NT] - Chris94 - 7:16pm 11/13/25
    - Yes, that is Church teaching. But those with mortal sin cannot. - BaronVonZemo - 9:55pm 11/13/25
      - Baron's protestations notwithstanding, read the acknowledgment in the "Where Peter Is" article - TyroneIrish - 12:38am 11/14/25
        What is your endgame with this "personhood"? That the RCC is okay with abortion at some point? [NT] - MarkHarman - 11:42am 11/14/25
        Good question...which I answered in my 1:28am and 1:40pm posts yesterday...check them out and get - TyroneIrish - 5:19pm 11/14/25
    - Yes. Donum Vitae. [NT] - Hensou - 7:24pm 11/13/25
      - Donum Vitae does not state that... - TyroneIrish - 7:42pm 11/13/25
        Extremely, EXTREMELY weird and ILLOGICAL mental gymnastics here - MarkHarman - 10:17pm 11/13/25
        Read the article again…and note distinction the author makes between “”Treated As” and “Definitively - TyroneIrish - 2:12am 11/14/25
      - Heaven is full of zyotes then. Just floating there, without consciousness. Cool. [NT] - Chris94 - 7:34pm 11/13/25
        Consciousness doesn't begin until 3-4 and is only fully developed around 7. [NT] - iairishcheeks - 11:54pm 11/13/25
        Oh sure that makes sense [NT] - Chris94 - 2:01am 11/14/25
        It's a hotly debated topic, from your guy Steven Pinker. - iairishcheeks - 5:39pm 11/14/25
        
        You think self awareness is determined by a physical organ - BaronVonZemo - 10:42pm 11/13/25
        
        Donum Vitae clearly states that human life begins at conception. - Hensou - 8:02pm 11/13/25
        Donum Vitae notes the distinction between the development of a human being and a person...which - TyroneIrish - 8:22pm 11/13/25
        
        The large majority of conceptions result in either failure to implant, or miscarriage...the RCC gave - TyroneIrish - 7:47pm 11/13/25
  - I'm right here, Baron...this whole thread involves my comments on the abortion issue...address me - TyroneIrish - 6:15pm 11/13/25
- Ty’s handlers hate Jesus and anything to do with virtue [NT] - LanceManion - 11:38am 11/13/25
  - The 80-90% of Americans who agree with me have every bit as much "Virtue" as you do, maybe - TyroneIrish - 6:28pm 11/13/25
  - Jesus has been transformed into their image and likeness. - Hensou - 2:45pm 11/13/25
- Did Google AI summaries supplant ex cathedra Papal teachings? [NT] - ND521 - 7:04am 11/13/25
- I'll take America Magazine's verified direct quote from Pope Francis over your source, Mark...same - TyroneIrish - 6:17am 11/13/25
  - Pope Francis talking off the cuff does not equal RCC doctrine - MarkHarman - 1:22pm 11/13/25
    - It was a phrase excerpted out of a discussion and then deliberately misinterpreted... - TakethetrainKnute - 2:19pm 11/13/25
      - Not true...on 11/28/2022 America Magazine published Francis' remarks on fetal personhood...Francis [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 5:55pm 11/13/25
        For the millionth time, you're trying to make a ridiculous and absurd analogy. - jakers - 6:51pm 11/13/25
        You can't parse the meaning of "Killing"...face up to it...par. 2309 of the RCC Catechism allows for - TyroneIrish - 8:07pm 11/13/25
        And you're back to the old "coerced" pregnancies canard. That was laughed at already. Try harder. [NT] - jakers - 8:20pm 11/13/25
        Do you not understand what "Coerced Means"?...many millions of women do...and it's not a benign - TyroneIrish - 8:44pm 11/13/25
        Yeah, it's YOU who doesn't understand the meaning of coerced. - jakers - 8:48pm 11/13/25
        From Webster's Dictionary..."Synonyms...arm-twisting, compulsion, constraint, duress, - TyroneIrish - 9:33pm 11/13/25
        Exactly. - jakers - 9:58pm 11/13/25
        Are you admitting that you favor NO RECOURSE for women subjected to Forced or Coerced pregnancies? - TyroneIrish - 10:31pm 11/13/25
        You know damn well that isn't what I said. - jakers - 11:34pm 11/13/25
        All I’m asking for is a straight answer…Yes or No? [NT] - TyroneIrish - 2:22am 11/14/25
        We're talking about your blatant misrepresentation, not my socio-political beliefs. - jakers - 6:06pm 11/14/25
        My question goes to the very root of the issue, i.e. should women have the right to choose abortion - TyroneIrish - 7:14pm 11/14/25
        So you're not going to own your lie? Got it - you're burrowing in on an unrelated question. [NT] - jakers - 10:24pm 11/14/25
        It's very simple...Women can bear a child...but MUST they do so even when impregnated against their - TyroneIrish - 5:13am 11/15/25
        
        You're asking him to cease his raison d'être... [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 6:39pm 11/14/25
        I stand with the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists' Policy on Abortion...what's - TyroneIrish - 8:12pm 11/14/25
        
        He doesn't care...been addressed and undressed on this one repeatedly, Clearly feels he gains points - TakethetrainKnute - 7:48pm 11/13/25
        I find this hilarious - Hensou - 8:14pm 11/13/25
        Only a coward would not confront his 'opponent' in a debate...you're doing it again...shameless. [NT] - TyroneIrish - 8:47pm 11/13/25
        
        I'm not the only one...80-90% of ALL Americans disagree that abortion should be illegal in all - TyroneIrish - 8:13pm 11/13/25
        Legality and morality are 2 very different things, which you of course know. - jakers - 8:22pm 11/13/25
        Bingo. [NT] - Hensou - 8:25pm 11/13/25
        Once again, the Coward chimes in... [NT] - TyroneIrish - 8:52pm 11/13/25
        Be careful who you're calling a coward. You're afraid to read Dr. Risch's paper [NT] - MarkHarman - 10:20pm 11/13/25
        I have engaged with you on the subject of HCQ+ hundreds of times...that issue was decided - TyroneIrish - 10:37pm 11/13/25
        Until you read Dr. Risch's paper, you are coming from a position of complete and total ignorance [NT] - MarkHarman - 11:43am 11/14/25
        I'll just have to live with that...at least I'm not obsessive over it...let it go, Mark. - TyroneIrish - 4:55pm 11/14/25
      - I think this is a well-spoken and fair assessment. [NT] - Hensou - 2:29pm 11/13/25
        You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but do me the courtesy of responding to it...i.e. engage - TyroneIrish - 6:11pm 11/13/25
- He's repeated that lie a dozen times. Expect him to repeat it here in this thread shortly. - NedoftheHill - 4:48am 11/13/25
  - My main purpose is to reach common ground on ways to reduce the # of abortions w/o sacrificing the - TyroneIrish - 6:28am 11/13/25
    - As a "man" who is fallen away... I'm still very uncomfortable with late term abortions. [LINK] - Curly1918 - 1:32pm 11/13/25
      - Let's not forget what it was like for women with unwanted pregnancies prior to Roe v Wade... [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 6:25pm 11/13/25
      - Then it’s good you won’t get pregnant especially at your advanced age. [NT] - jimbasil - 2:37pm 11/13/25
    - That’s quite the pretzel [NT] - irish93 - 12:39pm 11/13/25
      - Not at all... - TyroneIrish - 6:40pm 11/13/25
        That post makes sense. The BS in your other post does not. [NT] - irish93 - 6:50pm 11/13/25
        My bad for not repeating those thoughts more often...btw, this wasn't the first time. Glad you agree - TyroneIrish - 9:47pm 11/13/25

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