"Note however, that both the encyclical and the instruction call for the child in the womb 'to be respected' as a person from the moment of conception, without definitively teaching that the embryo is a person."
What??? Under that "reasoning," no one is a person because there was no age given for one "becomes" a person.
And your statement that the Church leaves room for "Prudential judgment" on whether abortion is okay by a rape victim is just wrong, too. From Google AI: "The Catholic Church holds that direct abortion is a grave moral wrong in all circumstances, including pregnancies resulting from rape, because it considers all human life sacred from the moment of conception. The Church teaches that the child is an innocent victim of the violence, not an aggressor, and should not be punished for the crime of the father."
Why do you constantly come on here and misrepresent this all the time?
Extremely, EXTREMELY weird and ILLOGICAL mental gymnastics here
Replies to: "Extremely, EXTREMELY weird and ILLOGICAL mental gymnastics here"
- Ty caught in yet another lie, this time about the RCC and "personhood" at conception - MarkHarman - 11:27pm 11/12/25
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- The Church teaches every human has a soul from conception onward. - BaronVonZemo - 12:57pm 11/13/25
- So aborted zygotes go to heaven? Are there millions of them up there? [NT]
- Chris94 - 2:16pm 11/13/25
- Yes, that is Church teaching. But those with mortal sin cannot. - BaronVonZemo - 4:55pm 11/13/25
- Baron's protestations notwithstanding, read the acknowledgment in the "Where Peter Is" article - TyroneIrish - 7:38pm 11/13/25
- Yes. Donum Vitae. [NT]
- Hensou - 2:24pm 11/13/25
- Donum Vitae does not state that... - TyroneIrish - 2:42pm 11/13/25
- Extremely, EXTREMELY weird and ILLOGICAL mental gymnastics here - MarkHarman - 5:17pm 11/13/25
- Heaven is full of zyotes then. Just floating there, without consciousness. Cool. [NT]
- Chris94 - 2:34pm 11/13/25
- Consciousness doesn't begin until 3-4 and is only fully developed around 7. [NT] - iairishcheeks - 6:54pm 11/13/25
- You think self awareness is determined by a physical organ - BaronVonZemo - 5:42pm 11/13/25
- Donum Vitae clearly states that human life begins at conception. - Hensou - 3:02pm 11/13/25
- Donum Vitae notes the distinction between the development of a human being and a person...which - TyroneIrish - 3:22pm 11/13/25
- The large majority of conceptions result in either failure to implant, or miscarriage...the RCC gave - TyroneIrish - 2:47pm 11/13/25
- Donum Vitae does not state that... - TyroneIrish - 2:42pm 11/13/25
- Yes, that is Church teaching. But those with mortal sin cannot. - BaronVonZemo - 4:55pm 11/13/25
- I'm right here, Baron...this whole thread involves my comments on the abortion issue...address me - TyroneIrish - 1:15pm 11/13/25
- So aborted zygotes go to heaven? Are there millions of them up there? [NT]
- Chris94 - 2:16pm 11/13/25
- Ty’s handlers hate Jesus and anything to do with virtue [NT]
- LanceManion - 6:38am 11/13/25
- The 80-90% of Americans who agree with me have every bit as much "Virtue" as you do, maybe - TyroneIrish - 1:28pm 11/13/25
- Jesus has been transformed into their image and likeness. - Hensou - 9:45am 11/13/25
- Did Google AI summaries supplant ex cathedra Papal teachings? [NT] - ND521 - 2:04am 11/13/25
- I'll take America Magazine's verified direct quote from Pope Francis over your source, Mark...same - TyroneIrish - 1:17am 11/13/25
- Pope Francis talking off the cuff does not equal RCC doctrine - MarkHarman - 8:22am 11/13/25
- It was a phrase excerpted out of a discussion and then deliberately misinterpreted... - TakethetrainKnute - 9:19am 11/13/25
- Not true...on 11/28/2022 America Magazine published Francis' remarks on fetal personhood...Francis [LINK]
- TyroneIrish - 12:55pm 11/13/25
- For the millionth time, you're trying to make a ridiculous and absurd analogy. - jakers - 1:51pm 11/13/25
- You can't parse the meaning of "Killing"...face up to it...par. 2309 of the RCC Catechism allows for - TyroneIrish - 3:07pm 11/13/25
- And you're back to the old "coerced" pregnancies canard. That was laughed at already. Try harder. [NT]
- jakers - 3:20pm 11/13/25
- Do you not understand what "Coerced Means"?...many millions of women do...and it's not a benign - TyroneIrish - 3:44pm 11/13/25
- Yeah, it's YOU who doesn't understand the meaning of coerced. - jakers - 3:48pm 11/13/25
- From Webster's Dictionary..."Synonyms...arm-twisting, compulsion, constraint, duress, - TyroneIrish - 4:33pm 11/13/25
- Exactly. - jakers - 4:58pm 11/13/25
- Are you admitting that you favor NO RECOURSE for women subjected to Forced or Coerced pregnancies? - TyroneIrish - 5:31pm 11/13/25
- You know damn well that isn't what I said. - jakers - 6:34pm 11/13/25
- Are you admitting that you favor NO RECOURSE for women subjected to Forced or Coerced pregnancies? - TyroneIrish - 5:31pm 11/13/25
- Exactly. - jakers - 4:58pm 11/13/25
- From Webster's Dictionary..."Synonyms...arm-twisting, compulsion, constraint, duress, - TyroneIrish - 4:33pm 11/13/25
- Yeah, it's YOU who doesn't understand the meaning of coerced. - jakers - 3:48pm 11/13/25
- Do you not understand what "Coerced Means"?...many millions of women do...and it's not a benign - TyroneIrish - 3:44pm 11/13/25
- And you're back to the old "coerced" pregnancies canard. That was laughed at already. Try harder. [NT]
- jakers - 3:20pm 11/13/25
- He doesn't care...been addressed and undressed on this one repeatedly, Clearly feels he gains points - TakethetrainKnute - 2:48pm 11/13/25
- I find this hilarious - Hensou - 3:14pm 11/13/25
- Only a coward would not confront his 'opponent' in a debate...you're doing it again...shameless. [NT] - TyroneIrish - 3:47pm 11/13/25
- I'm not the only one...80-90% of ALL Americans disagree that abortion should be illegal in all - TyroneIrish - 3:13pm 11/13/25
- Legality and morality are 2 very different things, which you of course know. - jakers - 3:22pm 11/13/25
- Bingo. [NT]
- Hensou - 3:25pm 11/13/25
- Once again, the Coward chimes in... [NT]
- TyroneIrish - 3:52pm 11/13/25
- Be careful who you're calling a coward. You're afraid to read Dr. Risch's paper [NT]
- MarkHarman - 5:20pm 11/13/25
- I have engaged with you on the subject of HCQ+ hundreds of times...that issue was decided - TyroneIrish - 5:37pm 11/13/25
- Be careful who you're calling a coward. You're afraid to read Dr. Risch's paper [NT]
- MarkHarman - 5:20pm 11/13/25
- Once again, the Coward chimes in... [NT]
- TyroneIrish - 3:52pm 11/13/25
- Bingo. [NT]
- Hensou - 3:25pm 11/13/25
- Legality and morality are 2 very different things, which you of course know. - jakers - 3:22pm 11/13/25
- I find this hilarious - Hensou - 3:14pm 11/13/25
- You can't parse the meaning of "Killing"...face up to it...par. 2309 of the RCC Catechism allows for - TyroneIrish - 3:07pm 11/13/25
- For the millionth time, you're trying to make a ridiculous and absurd analogy. - jakers - 1:51pm 11/13/25
- I think this is a well-spoken and fair assessment. [NT]
- Hensou - 9:29am 11/13/25
- You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but do me the courtesy of responding to it...i.e. engage - TyroneIrish - 1:11pm 11/13/25
- Not true...on 11/28/2022 America Magazine published Francis' remarks on fetal personhood...Francis [LINK]
- TyroneIrish - 12:55pm 11/13/25
- It was a phrase excerpted out of a discussion and then deliberately misinterpreted... - TakethetrainKnute - 9:19am 11/13/25
- Pope Francis talking off the cuff does not equal RCC doctrine - MarkHarman - 8:22am 11/13/25
- He's repeated that lie a dozen times. Expect him to repeat it here in this thread shortly. - NedoftheHill - 11:48pm 11/12/25
- My main purpose is to reach common ground on ways to reduce the # of abortions w/o sacrificing the - TyroneIrish - 1:28am 11/13/25
- As a "man" who is fallen away... I'm still very uncomfortable with late term abortions. [LINK]
- Curly1918 - 8:32am 11/13/25
- Let's not forget what it was like for women with unwanted pregnancies prior to Roe v Wade... [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 1:25pm 11/13/25
- Then it’s good you won’t get pregnant especially at your advanced age. [NT] - jimbasil - 9:37am 11/13/25
- That’s quite the pretzel [NT]
- irish93 - 7:39am 11/13/25
- Not at all... - TyroneIrish - 1:40pm 11/13/25
- That post makes sense. The BS in your other post does not. [NT]
- irish93 - 1:50pm 11/13/25
- My bad for not repeating those thoughts more often...btw, this wasn't the first time. Glad you agree - TyroneIrish - 4:47pm 11/13/25
- That post makes sense. The BS in your other post does not. [NT]
- irish93 - 1:50pm 11/13/25
- Not at all... - TyroneIrish - 1:40pm 11/13/25
- As a "man" who is fallen away... I'm still very uncomfortable with late term abortions. [LINK]
- Curly1918 - 8:32am 11/13/25
- My main purpose is to reach common ground on ways to reduce the # of abortions w/o sacrificing the - TyroneIrish - 1:28am 11/13/25
- The Church teaches every human has a soul from conception onward. - BaronVonZemo - 12:57pm 11/13/25