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Nowhere did I say that.

Author: Rooney (5953 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 3:58 pm on Nov 19, 2025
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I'm on the front lines of these environmental debates every day. I'm also on the front lines of the housing affordability crises (in my country not the US). On one side I have environmental agencies pushing me farther and farther away from the natural features because they beleive they need to be overprotected which reduces the amount of land left for building houses, and on the other side I've got every other level of government telling me we need to find a way to make housing more affordable. I sit in the middle and just spew facts. If the environmental agencies stick to reasonable setbacks, we can lower the price of a home. It's simple math. 500 homes @ $600K/each is the same revenue as 600 homes at $500K each. The only difference is we've been able to provide homes for 100 more families if we're able to spread our fixed costs over more units. The environment is fully protected with reasonable setbacks backed by science. By the way, I realize the math there is an oversimplification but you get the point.

There are natural features that need to be preserved and protected. No question. No one is looking to pave paradise or kill Bambi. What is questionable though is the extent to which some environmental agencies go to OVER protect natural features way beyond what the science says is required. Ephemeral streams are the textbook example of overprotection. I've got sites where farmers are growing crops in ephemeral streams. It sits dry 11 months out of the year. He fertilizes the crap out of it and harvests his crop every fall. But if we want to build a house on the land, some environmental agency wants me to keep the ephemeral stream and put a 50 foot setback on it to protect it. Why? It doesn't make any sense. As I said before, the function of the ephemeral stream is replicated on the finished lot. There is no need to isolate it like it's performs some holy function that can't be replicated. I'm not talking about continuous stream corridors or floodplains. Those have to be protected. Ephemeral streams do not. I'm sorry. They don't. They aren't fish habitat. They don't offer any sort of wildlife habitat. They don't even have any plants in them, except the crop.

I just want environmental agencies to understand the economic implications of their overprotection. Not their protection, their overprotection.


"I didn't come here to take part. I came here to take over."

Replies to: "Nowhere did I say that."

  • Industry and republicans vs clean water act and America’s wetlands. - jimbasil - 8:05am 11/19/25 (13) [View All]
    • Says the guy who took a steaming dump in pristine iceberg ice melt. [NT] - LanceManion - 2:13pm 11/19/25
    • One of the problems with the modern environmental movement, - Rooney - 1:09pm 11/19/25
      • Or, you’re just talking about profit being greater at the expense of wildlife. [NT] - jimbasil - 2:01pm 11/19/25
        • Nowhere did I say that. - Rooney - 3:58pm 11/19/25
          • Over protection is a baloney term. Land is either protected or it’s not. Knowing developers - jimbasil - 5:18pm 11/19/25
      • Makes great sense. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 1:22pm 11/19/25
    • Post a picture of the "wetlands" at issue in Sackett v EPA - Iggle - 10:21am 11/19/25
      • Super glad you read the article [NT] - jimbasil - 11:01am 11/19/25
    • Farmers farm up to the waters edge, the clean water act doesn't prevent this. - iairishcheeks - 9:52am 11/19/25
    • It is a tough issue. No one should want helter-skelter development and... [IMAGE] - Curly1918 - 8:46am 11/19/25
      • Indeed it is a tough issue...for example, after the Fukushima disaster it was found that EPA - TyroneIrish - 1:10pm 11/19/25
      • then it’s a good thing you didn’t read the article. [NT] - jimbasil - 9:26am 11/19/25
        • I've followed this issue for years. There are fanatics on both sides. [NT] - Curly1918 - 11:32am 11/19/25
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