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Ends are the same. Means are different. Is that hard to grasp?
Author:
Chris94
(37981 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 3:10 pm on Jan 5, 2026
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Replies to: "Ends are the same. Means are different. Is that hard to grasp?"
CNN reported today (and in 2024), that Biden admin recognized Gonzalez, not Maduro, as VE president.
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NedoftheHill
- 2:26pm 1/5/26
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Oh my, this is embarrassing for some here.
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BaronVonZemo
- 3:42pm 1/5/26
Of course he did. And Clinton hated Saddam.
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Chris94
- 2:38pm 1/5/26
Kidnap or arrest? Kidnap is more dramatic so of course you went with that one. Did you participate
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TampaIrish
- 2:49pm 1/5/26
Kidnap.
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Chris94
- 2:53pm 1/5/26
What is the ransom?
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Hensou
- 3:25pm 1/5/26
I can hear it now. Trump calling and asking for biggest, best and most beautiful ransom anyone
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TampaIrish
- 3:50pm 1/5/26
300B barrels of oil and you can have dictator douchebag back.
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iairishcheeks
- 4:32pm 1/5/26
When law enforcement arrests an indicted individual, are they kidnaping or arresting?
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NedoftheHill
- 3:02pm 1/5/26
Legal, justified arrests are not kidnapping. This was neither.
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Chris94
- 3:10pm 1/5/26
OK. Let's discuss "legal,"since "justified" is argumentative.
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NedoftheHill
- 3:17pm 1/5/26
Again, I am talking about international law
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Chris94
- 3:54pm 1/5/26
Who decides if he is a legitimate head of state?
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iairishcheeks
- 4:18pm 1/5/26
Legitimate or illegitimate, he was running the country
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Chris94
- 4:21pm 1/5/26
Don't you think Noriega/Panama is a better analog than whatabout Taiwan?
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iairishcheeks
- 4:31pm 1/5/26
Interesting that we are getting to this: Those who oppose this action seem to be arguing...
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NedoftheHill
- 4:44pm 1/5/26
Yes, that's the same conundrum I am facing in trying to understand what is "right".
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iairishcheeks
- 4:53pm 1/5/26
Panama is a best-case scenario.
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Chris94
- 4:43pm 1/5/26
It’s about giving bad actors “permission” to do what “the US just did.”
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conorlarkin
- 8:08pm 1/5/26
It would've been more credible if you'd led w your last line here when raging about illegality
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BaronVonZemo
- 6:05pm 1/5/26
It's certainly better than the all out kinetic warfare you feared.
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iairishcheeks
- 4:51pm 1/5/26
That is true. The build-up the Caribbean (which continues) just makes no sense, if this is it.
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Chris94
- 5:33pm 1/5/26
Hopefully it's to focus on the western hemisphere.
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iairishcheeks
- 5:47pm 1/5/26
Your last line sums things up pretty well.
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NedoftheHill
- 4:48pm 1/5/26
Has anyone started a GoFundMe for Maduro yet?
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iairishcheeks
- 2:40pm 1/5/26
Ha! I didn't think this would be the topic which would reveal I'm not on ignore. Welcome back.
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NedoftheHill
- 2:40pm 1/5/26
Huh? I don't disagree with Biden. Maduro was/is a thug. A horrible cancer.
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Chris94
- 2:46pm 1/5/26
That's not the issue. Blinken said Maduro wasn't president. He hadn't won the election.
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NedoftheHill
- 3:00pm 1/5/26
Ends are the same. Means are different. Is that hard to grasp?
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Chris94
- 3:10pm 1/5/26
Are you talking about the end of bringing Maduro to justice, with two different means...
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NedoftheHill
- 3:28pm 1/5/26
Are you on the side of the Venezuelans celebrating or the protestors holding signs Free Maduro Now!?
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iairishcheeks
- 2:58pm 1/5/26
Are you sure that Venezuelans are celebrating? I know I've watched lots of videos on X with
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TampaIrish
- 3:03pm 1/5/26
Presume you are celebrating...with Cigar City Maduros...
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TakethetrainKnute
- 3:15pm 1/5/26
Going to have to head to Publix to see if they are carrying that and pick some up for this weekend.
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TampaIrish
- 3:24pm 1/5/26
Buy a lottery ticket while you are there...the winner always bought it at a Publix.
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BaronVonZemo
- 4:44pm 1/5/26
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