If we are going to stop recognizing the basic immunity of heads of state, then we are saying it would be OK for China's leadership to indict the president of Taiwan and go grab him and put him on trial in Beijing.
I would have been gobsmacked if Biden did this. I am gobsmacked now.
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Replies to: "Legitimate or illegitimate, he was running the country"
- CNN reported today (and in 2024), that Biden admin recognized Gonzalez, not Maduro, as VE president. - NedoftheHill - 2:26pm 1/5/26
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- Oh my, this is embarrassing for some here. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 3:42pm 1/5/26
- Of course he did. And Clinton hated Saddam. - Chris94 - 2:38pm 1/5/26
- Kidnap or arrest? Kidnap is more dramatic so of course you went with that one. Did you participate - TampaIrish - 2:49pm 1/5/26
- Kidnap. [NT]
- Chris94 - 2:53pm 1/5/26
- What is the ransom? [NT]
- Hensou - 3:25pm 1/5/26
- I can hear it now. Trump calling and asking for biggest, best and most beautiful ransom anyone - TampaIrish - 3:50pm 1/5/26
- 300B barrels of oil and you can have dictator douchebag back. [NT] - iairishcheeks - 4:32pm 1/5/26
- I can hear it now. Trump calling and asking for biggest, best and most beautiful ransom anyone - TampaIrish - 3:50pm 1/5/26
- When law enforcement arrests an indicted individual, are they kidnaping or arresting? - NedoftheHill - 3:02pm 1/5/26
- Legal, justified arrests are not kidnapping. This was neither. [NT]
- Chris94 - 3:10pm 1/5/26
- OK. Let's discuss "legal,"since "justified" is argumentative. - NedoftheHill - 3:17pm 1/5/26
- Again, I am talking about international law - Chris94 - 3:54pm 1/5/26
- Who decides if he is a legitimate head of state? - iairishcheeks - 4:18pm 1/5/26
- Legitimate or illegitimate, he was running the country - Chris94 - 4:21pm 1/5/26
- Don't you think Noriega/Panama is a better analog than whatabout Taiwan? [NT]
- iairishcheeks - 4:31pm 1/5/26
- Interesting that we are getting to this: Those who oppose this action seem to be arguing... - NedoftheHill - 4:44pm 1/5/26
- Yes, that's the same conundrum I am facing in trying to understand what is "right". [NT] - iairishcheeks - 4:53pm 1/5/26
- Panama is a best-case scenario. - Chris94 - 4:43pm 1/5/26
- It’s about giving bad actors “permission” to do what “the US just did.” - conorlarkin - 8:08pm 1/5/26
- It would've been more credible if you'd led w your last line here when raging about illegality - BaronVonZemo - 6:05pm 1/5/26
- It's certainly better than the all out kinetic warfare you feared. [NT]
- iairishcheeks - 4:51pm 1/5/26
- That is true. The build-up the Caribbean (which continues) just makes no sense, if this is it. [NT]
- Chris94 - 5:33pm 1/5/26
- Hopefully it's to focus on the western hemisphere. [NT] - iairishcheeks - 5:47pm 1/5/26
- That is true. The build-up the Caribbean (which continues) just makes no sense, if this is it. [NT]
- Chris94 - 5:33pm 1/5/26
- Your last line sums things up pretty well. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 4:48pm 1/5/26
- Interesting that we are getting to this: Those who oppose this action seem to be arguing... - NedoftheHill - 4:44pm 1/5/26
- Don't you think Noriega/Panama is a better analog than whatabout Taiwan? [NT]
- iairishcheeks - 4:31pm 1/5/26
- Legitimate or illegitimate, he was running the country - Chris94 - 4:21pm 1/5/26
- Who decides if he is a legitimate head of state? - iairishcheeks - 4:18pm 1/5/26
- Again, I am talking about international law - Chris94 - 3:54pm 1/5/26
- OK. Let's discuss "legal,"since "justified" is argumentative. - NedoftheHill - 3:17pm 1/5/26
- Legal, justified arrests are not kidnapping. This was neither. [NT]
- Chris94 - 3:10pm 1/5/26
- What is the ransom? [NT]
- Hensou - 3:25pm 1/5/26
- Kidnap. [NT]
- Chris94 - 2:53pm 1/5/26
- Has anyone started a GoFundMe for Maduro yet? [NT] - iairishcheeks - 2:40pm 1/5/26
- Ha! I didn't think this would be the topic which would reveal I'm not on ignore. Welcome back. - NedoftheHill - 2:40pm 1/5/26
- Huh? I don't disagree with Biden. Maduro was/is a thug. A horrible cancer. [NT]
- Chris94 - 2:46pm 1/5/26
- That's not the issue. Blinken said Maduro wasn't president. He hadn't won the election. - NedoftheHill - 3:00pm 1/5/26
- Ends are the same. Means are different. Is that hard to grasp? [NT]
- Chris94 - 3:10pm 1/5/26
- Are you talking about the end of bringing Maduro to justice, with two different means... - NedoftheHill - 3:28pm 1/5/26
- Ends are the same. Means are different. Is that hard to grasp? [NT]
- Chris94 - 3:10pm 1/5/26
- Are you on the side of the Venezuelans celebrating or the protestors holding signs Free Maduro Now!? [NT]
- iairishcheeks - 2:58pm 1/5/26
- Are you sure that Venezuelans are celebrating? I know I've watched lots of videos on X with - TampaIrish - 3:03pm 1/5/26
- Presume you are celebrating...with Cigar City Maduros... [NT]
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- TakethetrainKnute - 3:15pm 1/5/26
- Going to have to head to Publix to see if they are carrying that and pick some up for this weekend. [NT]
- TampaIrish - 3:24pm 1/5/26
- Buy a lottery ticket while you are there...the winner always bought it at a Publix. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 4:44pm 1/5/26
- Going to have to head to Publix to see if they are carrying that and pick some up for this weekend. [NT]
- TampaIrish - 3:24pm 1/5/26
- Presume you are celebrating...with Cigar City Maduros... [NT]
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- TakethetrainKnute - 3:15pm 1/5/26
- Are you sure that Venezuelans are celebrating? I know I've watched lots of videos on X with - TampaIrish - 3:03pm 1/5/26
- That's not the issue. Blinken said Maduro wasn't president. He hadn't won the election. - NedoftheHill - 3:00pm 1/5/26
- Huh? I don't disagree with Biden. Maduro was/is a thug. A horrible cancer. [NT]
- Chris94 - 2:46pm 1/5/26
- Kidnap or arrest? Kidnap is more dramatic so of course you went with that one. Did you participate - TampaIrish - 2:49pm 1/5/26
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