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This is a reasonable take

Author: MarkHarman (7655 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 11:14 am on Jan 8, 2026

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Although it appears the agent had the right to shoot, he probably shouldn't have.

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Replies to: "This is a reasonable take"

Who in their right mind disregards armed law enforcement officers? - Curly1918 - 6:10am 1/8/26 (76) [View All]
- Since when is blocking traffic a Capital Offense requiring lethal force?...the woman was - TyroneIrish - 11:14am 1/8/26
  - You can't not gaslight. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 12:10pm 1/8/26
- It happens all the time and guess what… - Domer From Hell - 9:51am 1/8/26
  - Check this out DFH. [NT] [LINK] - TampaIrish - 10:13am 1/8/26
  - My guess is that you are not black. [NT] - Curly1918 - 10:07am 1/8/26
    - According to 23 and me, I am .02% sub Saharan African [NT] - Domer From Hell - 10:34am 1/8/26
      - One drop rule... my brotha! We all evolved from our African ancestors. [NT] - Curly1918 - 10:52am 1/8/26
        In fairness, I am African from the bottom of my belly button to the top of my thighs. [NT] - Domer From Hell - 11:17am 1/8/26
        Hmmm... good thing you did not live in past eras. [NT] [LINK] - Curly1918 - 11:21am 1/8/26
  - I don’t know man. This video look like he gets hit by the SUV. [NT] [LINK] - TampaIrish - 9:59am 1/8/26
    - Barely touched him. If she wanted to do harm, she would have gone straight or - Domer From Hell - 10:36am 1/8/26
      - Let's put you in his shoes at the moment and see how you'd react? - Curly1918 - 11:29am 1/8/26
        Impossible, but I’d like to think that I’d try to de-escalate the situation… - Domer From Hell - 11:51am 1/8/26
        The agent by the window wasn't being targeted (objectively) by the vehicle. - NedoftheHill - 12:15pm 1/8/26
        I disagree. The agent to the front wasn’t being targeted either… - Domer From Hell - 12:56pm 1/8/26
        Her personal subjective intent is not relevant to the legal analysis. - NedoftheHill - 2:15pm 1/8/26
        It’s completely relevant and the video supports the relevancy. . [NT] - Domer From Hell - 3:15pm 1/8/26
        Looking forward to your explanation of how that is relevant under Minnesota statute. - NedoftheHill - 4:43pm 1/8/26
- ...Who? The January 6th insurrectionists - fargoz1 - 9:50am 1/8/26
  - The unarmed rioters shot by police? Yes, them too. - NedoftheHill - 12:18pm 1/8/26
- I wonder why we don't see Democrats urging, "Go ahead and protest, please. But don't interfere." - Iggle - 8:43am 1/8/26
  - “Because these poorly trained, masked goons are likely to kill you.” [NT] - Chris94 - 9:19am 1/8/26
    - Weird. They won't even say that. [NT] - Iggle - 9:31am 1/8/26
      - Weird. It's almost as if they want to encourage confrontation and resistance. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 9:37am 1/8/26
    - Please stop with the "masked goons" shit. There are people online actively doxxing these - TampaIrish - 9:28am 1/8/26
      - In America, we don’t have secret police. ICE is a disgrace. [NT] - Chris94 - 9:31am 1/8/26
        Right, we have crazy ass Liberals who think it's their job to obstruct ICE and you don't - TampaIrish - 9:33am 1/8/26
        
        We have the internet, violent libs, and MS-13 eager to find ICE families. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 9:32am 1/8/26
        Right, so we need a secret police. The next president will almost certainly disband ICE. - Chris94 - 9:38am 1/8/26
        They are needed to clean up the Biden Border Crisis mess-which you don’t want cleaned up - BaronVonZemo - 1:46pm 1/8/26
        
        ICE isn't secret. They operate out in the open and arrest criminals. If they were secret, how - TampaIrish - 9:43am 1/8/26
        That’s what secret police do, champ - Chris94 - 9:49am 1/8/26
        Should it be illegal for antifa to wear masks? [NT] - NedoftheHill - 12:17pm 1/8/26
        
        You're wrong. They are following the law and arresting people here unlawfully, champ. - TampaIrish - 9:51am 1/8/26
    - Please provide us with the training records of the officer involved. - PaND - 9:24am 1/8/26
- She was scared and made a mistake - Chris94 - 8:33am 1/8/26
  - Probably. But the subjective mental state of a person pointing a gun at a cop doesn't figure into it - NedoftheHill - 11:46am 1/8/26
  - Where's the evidence that she was scared? [NT] - Curly1918 - 11:30am 1/8/26
  - This is a reasonable take - MarkHarman - 11:14am 1/8/26
  - She put herself in this situation, you have no idea what her emotional state was. [NT] - iairishcheeks - 8:56am 1/8/26
  - If the news is right, she wasn’t some soccer mom who made a bad left turn. She was an agitator. - LanceManion - 8:54am 1/8/26
  - She drove across state lines to do this. Her wife got out of the car to film the interaction - TampaIrish - 8:48am 1/8/26
    - “She was living in the Twin Cities at the time of her death.” - Washington post [NT] - Chris94 - 9:18am 1/8/26
      - "at the time of her death" doesn't really refute anything. If she travelled to do this, she needed a - BaronVonZemo - 9:31am 1/8/26
      - Oh, if the Wapo said it, it has to be true. Ok. she was living there. That gives her the right - TampaIrish - 9:21am 1/8/26
        It only means you were wrong [NT] - Chris94 - 9:29am 1/8/26
        Keep hanging your hat on that. The broad is still dead and hopefully it prevents dumbasses that you - TampaIrish - 9:32am 1/8/26
    - So it was ANOTHER radical, violent action from the radical LGBTQ. There is a segment of jihadists - BaronVonZemo - 9:04am 1/8/26
    - Was this a social media stunt? [NT] - iairishcheeks - 9:00am 1/8/26
      - I don't think it was done for clicks. They aren't influencers. I think they are activists who go [LINK] - TampaIrish - 9:09am 1/8/26
    - These are disgusting beings [NT] - holybull101 - 8:58am 1/8/26
  - Big assumption given her aggressive actions to put herself in that situation. - BaronVonZemo - 8:46am 1/8/26
  - She had been up to no good and felt entitled to escape. [NT] - Hensou - 8:38am 1/8/26
- None in their Right mind, many in their Left mind. - BaronVonZemo - 8:27am 1/8/26
- Go back one more step. Who stops their car at an angle to block the road during a law enforcement - Shadow_of_the_Dome - 8:24am 1/8/26
- Listen to Scott Jennings on CNN. Words matter, especially when tied in with TDS. [LINK] - TampaIrish - 7:15am 1/8/26
  - His summation of the situation is correct, why are these people doing this? - PaND - 8:11am 1/8/26
    - This woman and her wife traveled from Missouri to be there to obstruct ICE. Her wife [LINK] - TampaIrish - 8:32am 1/8/26
      - They have to be getting money from somewhere, sad situation that these people are brainwashed. [NT] - PaND - 8:43am 1/8/26
        You'd have to be Deranged to support a Convicted Felon, Rapist, Fraud and Indicted Insurrectionist.. - TyroneIrish - 11:23am 1/8/26
        Doesn't it bother you that the Dems have done this before with Eugene Debs? [NT] - NedoftheHill - 12:24pm 1/8/26
        
        Guy’s TDS is worse than his scorching case of herpes. [NT] - LanceManion - 10:25am 1/8/26
- Who in their right mind stands in front of a “suspect” vehicle? - conorlarkin - 7:15am 1/8/26
  - Who in their right mind interferes in a legal federal law enforcement operation? [NT] - MarkHarman - 11:20am 1/8/26
  - Poorly trained ideological goons [NT] - Chris94 - 9:30am 1/8/26
  - “Who in their right mind stands in front of a bullet, Your Honor? My client is innocent!” [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 8:25am 1/8/26
  - Do you advise your clients to act like this crazed lunatic did? - iairishcheeks - 7:46am 1/8/26
    - She did not act like a crazed lunatic. Her death is the result of poorly trained ICE agents. [NT] - conorlarkin - 10:40am 1/8/26
    - A reasonable person would know that the car was going to be stopped if it eluded ICE. - Hensou - 8:19am 1/8/26
- ICE are not law enforcement officers like normal LEOs [NT] - Quest4twelve - 6:58am 1/8/26
  - Correct, they are federal like the FBI, DEA or ATF. - iairishcheeks - 7:45am 1/8/26
    - The point is ICE operates on limited jurisdiction. They can't search a car because they smell weed. - Quest4twelve - 11:21am 1/8/26
    - They are federal officers enforcing Immigration and Customs laws. [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 9:49am 1/8/26
- Karen [NT] - LanceManion - 6:47am 1/8/26

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