The agent by the window wasn't being targeted (objectively) by the vehicle.

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The agent by the window wasn't being targeted (objectively) by the vehicle.

Author: NedoftheHill (45860 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 12:15 pm on Jan 8, 2026

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The agent who drew his gun did not draw it until the wheels of the car directed the car at him, and the wheels started to spin as she tried to accelerate. Watch it frame by frame.

Again, I'm willing to have a conversation about whether we want to let our law enforcement officers treat vehicles as deadly weapons. But, let's not pretend that this officer's actions are somehow outside the norm. Indeed, the officer on the side probably could have drawn and fired; there have been cases where officers fired because the car continued to move and they feared being knocked under a wheel of the car. I'm not saying it is right, and I'm willing to discuss whether we should change the standard. But, this case is far more cut and dry than many: the officer was justified legally under current norms. Let's discuss changing those norms.

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Replies to: "The agent by the window wasn't being targeted (objectively) by the vehicle."

Who in their right mind disregards armed law enforcement officers? - Curly1918 - 6:10am 1/8/26 (76) [View All]
- Since when is blocking traffic a Capital Offense requiring lethal force?...the woman was - TyroneIrish - 11:14am 1/8/26
  - You can't not gaslight. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 12:10pm 1/8/26
- It happens all the time and guess what… - Domer From Hell - 9:51am 1/8/26
  - Check this out DFH. [NT] [LINK] - TampaIrish - 10:13am 1/8/26
  - My guess is that you are not black. [NT] - Curly1918 - 10:07am 1/8/26
    - According to 23 and me, I am .02% sub Saharan African [NT] - Domer From Hell - 10:34am 1/8/26
      - One drop rule... my brotha! We all evolved from our African ancestors. [NT] - Curly1918 - 10:52am 1/8/26
        In fairness, I am African from the bottom of my belly button to the top of my thighs. [NT] - Domer From Hell - 11:17am 1/8/26
        Hmmm... good thing you did not live in past eras. [NT] [LINK] - Curly1918 - 11:21am 1/8/26
  - I don’t know man. This video look like he gets hit by the SUV. [NT] [LINK] - TampaIrish - 9:59am 1/8/26
    - Barely touched him. If she wanted to do harm, she would have gone straight or - Domer From Hell - 10:36am 1/8/26
      - Let's put you in his shoes at the moment and see how you'd react? - Curly1918 - 11:29am 1/8/26
        Impossible, but I’d like to think that I’d try to de-escalate the situation… - Domer From Hell - 11:51am 1/8/26
        The agent by the window wasn't being targeted (objectively) by the vehicle. - NedoftheHill - 12:15pm 1/8/26
        I disagree. The agent to the front wasn’t being targeted either… - Domer From Hell - 12:56pm 1/8/26
        Her personal subjective intent is not relevant to the legal analysis. - NedoftheHill - 2:15pm 1/8/26
        It’s completely relevant and the video supports the relevancy. . [NT] - Domer From Hell - 3:15pm 1/8/26
        Looking forward to your explanation of how that is relevant under Minnesota statute. - NedoftheHill - 4:43pm 1/8/26
- ...Who? The January 6th insurrectionists - fargoz1 - 9:50am 1/8/26
  - The unarmed rioters shot by police? Yes, them too. - NedoftheHill - 12:18pm 1/8/26
- I wonder why we don't see Democrats urging, "Go ahead and protest, please. But don't interfere." - Iggle - 8:43am 1/8/26
  - “Because these poorly trained, masked goons are likely to kill you.” [NT] - Chris94 - 9:19am 1/8/26
    - Weird. They won't even say that. [NT] - Iggle - 9:31am 1/8/26
      - Weird. It's almost as if they want to encourage confrontation and resistance. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 9:37am 1/8/26
    - Please stop with the "masked goons" shit. There are people online actively doxxing these - TampaIrish - 9:28am 1/8/26
      - In America, we don’t have secret police. ICE is a disgrace. [NT] - Chris94 - 9:31am 1/8/26
        Right, we have crazy ass Liberals who think it's their job to obstruct ICE and you don't - TampaIrish - 9:33am 1/8/26
        
        We have the internet, violent libs, and MS-13 eager to find ICE families. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 9:32am 1/8/26
        Right, so we need a secret police. The next president will almost certainly disband ICE. - Chris94 - 9:38am 1/8/26
        They are needed to clean up the Biden Border Crisis mess-which you don’t want cleaned up - BaronVonZemo - 1:46pm 1/8/26
        
        ICE isn't secret. They operate out in the open and arrest criminals. If they were secret, how - TampaIrish - 9:43am 1/8/26
        That’s what secret police do, champ - Chris94 - 9:49am 1/8/26
        Should it be illegal for antifa to wear masks? [NT] - NedoftheHill - 12:17pm 1/8/26
        
        You're wrong. They are following the law and arresting people here unlawfully, champ. - TampaIrish - 9:51am 1/8/26
    - Please provide us with the training records of the officer involved. - PaND - 9:24am 1/8/26
- She was scared and made a mistake - Chris94 - 8:33am 1/8/26
  - Probably. But the subjective mental state of a person pointing a gun at a cop doesn't figure into it - NedoftheHill - 11:46am 1/8/26
  - Where's the evidence that she was scared? [NT] - Curly1918 - 11:30am 1/8/26
  - This is a reasonable take - MarkHarman - 11:14am 1/8/26
  - She put herself in this situation, you have no idea what her emotional state was. [NT] - iairishcheeks - 8:56am 1/8/26
  - If the news is right, she wasn’t some soccer mom who made a bad left turn. She was an agitator. - LanceManion - 8:54am 1/8/26
  - She drove across state lines to do this. Her wife got out of the car to film the interaction - TampaIrish - 8:48am 1/8/26
    - “She was living in the Twin Cities at the time of her death.” - Washington post [NT] - Chris94 - 9:18am 1/8/26
      - "at the time of her death" doesn't really refute anything. If she travelled to do this, she needed a - BaronVonZemo - 9:31am 1/8/26
      - Oh, if the Wapo said it, it has to be true. Ok. she was living there. That gives her the right - TampaIrish - 9:21am 1/8/26
        It only means you were wrong [NT] - Chris94 - 9:29am 1/8/26
        Keep hanging your hat on that. The broad is still dead and hopefully it prevents dumbasses that you - TampaIrish - 9:32am 1/8/26
    - So it was ANOTHER radical, violent action from the radical LGBTQ. There is a segment of jihadists - BaronVonZemo - 9:04am 1/8/26
    - Was this a social media stunt? [NT] - iairishcheeks - 9:00am 1/8/26
      - I don't think it was done for clicks. They aren't influencers. I think they are activists who go [LINK] - TampaIrish - 9:09am 1/8/26
    - These are disgusting beings [NT] - holybull101 - 8:58am 1/8/26
  - Big assumption given her aggressive actions to put herself in that situation. - BaronVonZemo - 8:46am 1/8/26
  - She had been up to no good and felt entitled to escape. [NT] - Hensou - 8:38am 1/8/26
- None in their Right mind, many in their Left mind. - BaronVonZemo - 8:27am 1/8/26
- Go back one more step. Who stops their car at an angle to block the road during a law enforcement - Shadow_of_the_Dome - 8:24am 1/8/26
- Listen to Scott Jennings on CNN. Words matter, especially when tied in with TDS. [LINK] - TampaIrish - 7:15am 1/8/26
  - His summation of the situation is correct, why are these people doing this? - PaND - 8:11am 1/8/26
    - This woman and her wife traveled from Missouri to be there to obstruct ICE. Her wife [LINK] - TampaIrish - 8:32am 1/8/26
      - They have to be getting money from somewhere, sad situation that these people are brainwashed. [NT] - PaND - 8:43am 1/8/26
        You'd have to be Deranged to support a Convicted Felon, Rapist, Fraud and Indicted Insurrectionist.. - TyroneIrish - 11:23am 1/8/26
        Doesn't it bother you that the Dems have done this before with Eugene Debs? [NT] - NedoftheHill - 12:24pm 1/8/26
        
        Guy’s TDS is worse than his scorching case of herpes. [NT] - LanceManion - 10:25am 1/8/26
- Who in their right mind stands in front of a “suspect” vehicle? - conorlarkin - 7:15am 1/8/26
  - Who in their right mind interferes in a legal federal law enforcement operation? [NT] - MarkHarman - 11:20am 1/8/26
  - Poorly trained ideological goons [NT] - Chris94 - 9:30am 1/8/26
  - “Who in their right mind stands in front of a bullet, Your Honor? My client is innocent!” [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 8:25am 1/8/26
  - Do you advise your clients to act like this crazed lunatic did? - iairishcheeks - 7:46am 1/8/26
    - She did not act like a crazed lunatic. Her death is the result of poorly trained ICE agents. [NT] - conorlarkin - 10:40am 1/8/26
    - A reasonable person would know that the car was going to be stopped if it eluded ICE. - Hensou - 8:19am 1/8/26
- ICE are not law enforcement officers like normal LEOs [NT] - Quest4twelve - 6:58am 1/8/26
  - Correct, they are federal like the FBI, DEA or ATF. - iairishcheeks - 7:45am 1/8/26
    - The point is ICE operates on limited jurisdiction. They can't search a car because they smell weed. - Quest4twelve - 11:21am 1/8/26
    - They are federal officers enforcing Immigration and Customs laws. [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 9:49am 1/8/26
- Karen [NT] - LanceManion - 6:47am 1/8/26

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