Unfortunately, I can't cross examine Frank_L. This is like Tryone's personal secret info below.

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Unfortunately, I can't cross examine Frank_L. This is like Tryone's personal secret info below.

Author: NedoftheHill (45872 Posts - Joined: Jun 29, 2011)

Posted at 5:49 pm on Jan 8, 2026

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Setting aside the first shot, officers often empty their pistols. 3 shots = restraint.

I think you guys are making political points here, not legal points. I think you would be saying different things if you were in court instead of on an internet forum.

Whether or not the driver intended to "weaponize" the car is really only relevant if the authorities decide to try to charge the passenger with felony murder (as an accomplice to a felony being perpetrated by the driver which resulted in the death of the driver). I don't believe that Minnesota statute uses the subjective mindset of the assailant in the analysis of self defense. I'm not a Minnesota attorney (and neither was Frank_L), but I suspect that if the victim (the officer) was in reasonable fear of his life, he was authorized to shoot, regardless of what was in the mind of the driver. She didn't comply, and she therefore opened the door to all of this. Your political opinion of the situation also does not figure into whether or not he was in reasonable fear for his life.

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Replies to: "Unfortunately, I can't cross examine Frank_L. This is like Tryone's personal secret info below."

New evidence being reported in Minn. Shooting - Hensou - 1:45pm 1/8/26 (50) [View All]
- Open and shut. Woman tried to drive over innocent officer. Incarcerate MN mayor. [NT] - LanceManion - 3:53pm 1/8/26
- None of that evidence provides Deadly Force. It actually helps the homicide case. - conorlarkin - 3:14pm 1/8/26
  - Wrong. She gunned her 2000+lb SUV w officer just in front. Happily,ice caused tires to spin at first - BaronVonZemo - 5:34pm 1/8/26
    - Watch the video. Ask yourself how firing his weapon prevented him from being struck by car? - conorlarkin - 6:00pm 1/8/26
      - She veered off afterwards. She was a radical ICE stalker-prove she wasn’t a threat. She gunned it & - BaronVonZemo - 11:08pm 1/8/26
      - As you know being struck by the car is not required to justify the shooting. But he was struck. - NedoftheHill - 6:19pm 1/8/26
  - The car accelerating toward him is sufficient to justify the shooting. All else is noise. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 4:35pm 1/8/26
    - As FrankL would confirm, each of three shots has to be justified use of deadly force. - conorlarkin - 4:44pm 1/8/26
      - Every shot was through the FRONT windshield, proving that the agent was at risk when fired - BaronVonZemo - 5:51pm 1/8/26
        An honest investigation will show path of bullets. - conorlarkin - 9:44pm 1/8/26
        Yes, a bullet hole in front window DOES mean agent was in front of car when trigger was squeezed - BaronVonZemo - 11:18pm 1/8/26
      - Unfortunately, I can't cross examine Frank_L. This is like Tryone's personal secret info below. - NedoftheHill - 5:49pm 1/8/26
        
        btw, you. haven't responded to my post verifying that Trump is using physical threats against GOP - TyroneIrish - 5:55pm 1/8/26
        Let me know when you post such a verification. I won't be holding my breath. - NedoftheHill - 5:56pm 1/8/26
        No need to hold your breath any longer...see my OP above...an apology would be nice to hear, but I'm - TyroneIrish - 7:00pm 1/8/26
        Your OP? Your original post? [NT] - NedoftheHill - 10:47pm 1/8/26
        "One-sided Propaganda" [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 11:41am 1/9/26
  - "Unhinged" and "retaliate" are facts not in evidence counselor. - Hensou - 3:23pm 1/8/26
    - The video reflects otherwise. [NT] - conorlarkin - 3:43pm 1/8/26
      - She clearly blocked passage, refused to exit the car, and ignored the agent’s safety. - Hensou - 4:15pm 1/8/26
        Thank God you are not a law enforcement instructor. [NT] - conorlarkin - 5:57pm 1/8/26
- Oh OK now I'm totally cool with poorly trained goons shooting civilians three times in the face [NT] - Chris94 - 2:13pm 1/8/26
  - Get rammed by an SUV, dragged down the street and stitched 30 times and get back to us. - Hensou - 3:19pm 1/8/26
    - If he was mentally fucked, then he should not have been deployed. [NT] - Chris94 - 3:42pm 1/8/26
      - And if he was not, he should have been deployed as an experienced agent. - Hensou - 4:18pm 1/8/26
  - Well, if she got hit 3 times, it sounds like he wasn't poorly trained. Sounds like he was trained - TampaIrish - 2:29pm 1/8/26
    - Even a brainless Trumper would hit their target at point blank range. [NT] - Domer From Hell - 3:11pm 1/8/26
      - Which tells me he was trained properly. He's a 10 year vet of ICE not some newbie. Getting off - TampaIrish - 3:15pm 1/8/26
        Awful training where it counts. He ruined his life because he was trigger happy… - Domer From Hell - 3:20pm 1/8/26
        But he didn't ruin his life. He will be pardoned, and become a MAGA media celebrity. - Chris94 - 3:42pm 1/8/26
        
        Nothing is going to happen to him. He is going to be cleared and back in service. [NT] - TampaIrish - 3:23pm 1/8/26
        His reputation has been destroyed and if the incident is properly investigated… - Domer From Hell - 3:26pm 1/8/26
        Bet you a finski nothing happens. [NT] - TampaIrish - 3:29pm 1/8/26
    - If the goal was to kill members of the public, his training was great. [NT] - Chris94 - 2:32pm 1/8/26
      - His job is to deport illegals and get home safely. I call it a successful day. [NT] - TampaIrish - 2:33pm 1/8/26
        Of course you would. - Chris94 - 2:35pm 1/8/26
        What a hateful statement. Pure histrionics as usual. [NT] - Hensou - 3:26pm 1/8/26
        
        I believe you said each of these things. [NT] [LINK] - TampaIrish - 2:38pm 1/8/26
        You're wrong [NT] - Chris94 - 2:43pm 1/8/26
- Context matters, even though the videos are exculpatory. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 1:48pm 1/8/26
- He received 30 stitches from his previous encounter. [NT] - ELP - 1:48pm 1/8/26
  - So he was a loose cannon. Shocking. [NT] - Chris94 - 2:17pm 1/8/26
    - He's out there on the front lines while you sit behind a keyboard making wisecracks. [NT] - ELP - 2:30pm 1/8/26
      - I agree. [NT] - Hensou - 3:24pm 1/8/26
      - And I've killed at least one fewer person. - Chris94 - 2:33pm 1/8/26
        You've also killed at least one fewer person than Michael Byrd. Congratulations. [NT] - ELP - 2:47pm 1/8/26

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