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Frank’s insights about deadly force are well stated.

Author: conorlarkin (22109 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 11:11 am on Jan 10, 2026
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It is noteworthy that Frank spent two years (of his 25 year career) investigating agent shootings, none of which were deemed an unlawful use of deadly force.

He emphasizes that an agents must subjectively believe he is “imminent danger” of bodily harm or death.

Frank also noted that an agent may have unnecessarily placed himself in jeopardy, but thereafter was justified using deadly force. Both things can be true, and are often the conclusion of investigations involving agent shootings.

Like me, Frank’s initial takeaway when he watched the first video is that this was a bad shooting.

The video clips available to the public have reinforced his opinion that agent was NOT justified to use deadly force. Forensic experts who have examined the footage agree.

Frank notes the abruptness in which the silver ICE pickup truck pulled up to the Honda Pilot, whereby one agent briskly walks up to driver side window. Meanwhile, shooter who had his cell phone out while engaging with Ms. Good’s wife, was initially in front left of the Honda Pilot, which reversed, and then went forward, turning right, in opposite direction of shooter who was moving towards driver side.

It is a lie to characterize Good as “gunning” her Honda Pilot in an effort to run over the agent. [Note the same posters (Baron et al) who were so dishonest about what transpired on January 6th are the same posters who are dishonest about what transpired in Minneapolis]

The bottom line is that regardless of the lies perpetrated by the Trump Administration and parroted on this Board by the cult, the agent was never in imminent danger.

And of course, all three shots fired must be justified.


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Replies to: "Frank’s insights about deadly force are well stated."

  • Former FBI Senior Agent, Frank Figliuzzi reviews the Minneapolis ICE shooting - TyroneIrish - 2:26am 1/10/26 (20) [View All]
    • Frank’s insights about deadly force are well stated. - conorlarkin - 11:11am 1/10/26
      • Frank's notation that no other ICE officer thought to take out their weapon...not even the one - TyroneIrish - 1:10pm 1/10/26
        • Indeed. And I would challenge our MAGA posters to apply the same facts to another motorist. - conorlarkin - 2:48pm 1/10/26
    • And Andrew Wilkow had on a use-of-force expert on his show who said it was a good shooting - MarkHarman - 6:32am 1/10/26
      • Not just a good shooting. A great shooting. - Chris94 - 10:30am 1/10/26
      • If you watched the video let us know what you agree or disagree with and and why. [NT] - TyroneIrish - 10:02am 1/10/26
      • And that expert was…? [NT] - jimbasil - 7:20am 1/10/26
        • Don't remember the name but someone who trains officers in use of force [NT] - MarkHarman - 10:00am 1/10/26
          • Was it Massad Ayoob? If so what law enforcement agency was he a part of? [NT] - Quest4twelve - 10:26am 1/10/26
            • Randy Sutton. 34-years in law enforcement - MarkHarman - 1:59pm 1/10/26
        • Frank Figliuzzi & Dean Obeidahllah both lean left big time. Any opinions they have are skewed. - ELP - 7:35am 1/10/26
          • Frank Figliuzzi has many decades of FBI experience, just like those serving now…plus, he was chosen - TyroneIrish - 10:09am 1/10/26
            • You can listen to him because you can't think for yourself. You need talking points . - ELP - 1:16pm 1/10/26
              • I read material that those with opposing views post all the time...how else can we get to the truth? - TyroneIrish - 2:05pm 1/10/26
                • You're trying too hard to be the fair & balanced guy. Not working. Not even close. - ELP - 3:57pm 1/10/26
                  • The fact of the matter is that because of your unwillingness or inability to dialogue, you can't - TyroneIrish - 9:25pm 1/10/26
                    • You don't want to dialogue, you want to lecture. Everyone w/ half a brain is on to you. [NT] - ELP - 9:56pm 1/10/26
                      • Pick any post of mine you think is 'skewed left'...and not accurate or substantiated... - TyroneIrish - 11:12pm 1/10/26
          • Do you believe the ICE officer is beyond reproach and everything above board? [NT] - Quest4twelve - 9:45am 1/10/26
            • I give them the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. [NT] - ELP - 10:35am 1/10/26

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