It is true, Mark...please read the linked proof...

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It is true, Mark...please read the linked proof...

Author: TyroneIrish (23235 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 4:27 pm on Jan 13, 2026

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...here's an excerpt from the attached guidelines...Note that this event was all about blocking traffic and tooting of horns...with a little taunting of the ICE officers...NONE of which rise to the need for deadly force...AND...if Ms. Ross really wanted to harm Officer Ross with her car, she would have turned LEFT in order to be sure she hit him...BUT...she turned hard RIGHT away from him...'Common Sense' should tell you she meant no harm.
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5. Customs and Border Patrol, Use of Force Policy (January 2021) [4500-002A]

Chapter 1: General Guidelines
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C. Use of Safe Tactics
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2. Except where otherwise required by inspections or other operations, Authorized Officers/Agents should avoid standing directly in front of or behind a subject vehicle. Officers/agents should not place themselves in the path of a moving vehicle or use their body to block a vehicle’s path.

3. Authorized Officers/Agents should avoid intentionally and unreasonably placing themselves in positions in which they have no alternative to using deadly force.
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Link: https://www.justsecurity.org/128498/dhs-doj-cbp-policy-force-vehicles/

Replies to: "It is true, Mark...please read the linked proof..."

Maybe the differences in opinion with the Renee Good incident is this - MarkHarman - 1:37pm 1/13/26 (22) [View All]
- Hard to believe an internal conduct review would find against the ICE agent. - LanceManion - 1:56pm 1/13/26
  - Former FBI Senior Agent alluded to that...Ross still violated CBP/ICE policy by standing (slightly) - TyroneIrish - 2:19pm 1/13/26
    - You can say this all day long but it's not true - MarkHarman - 3:43pm 1/13/26
      - It is true, Mark...please read the linked proof... [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 4:27pm 1/13/26
        I'll see you that and raise you this - MarkHarman - 6:36pm 1/13/26
      - . [NT] - TyroneIrish - 4:19pm 1/13/26
- No that's not it - Chris94 - 1:40pm 1/13/26
  - You're missing one half of the equation... - iairishcheeks - 4:38pm 1/13/26
    - I don't doubt that she was being a pain in the ass. - Chris94 - 5:19pm 1/13/26
  - He was in front of the car, which she drove forward. After being told to get out of the car. [NT] - Hensou - 2:05pm 1/13/26
    - Officer Ross violated CBP/ICE Policy by creating a danger...and Ms. Good Turned her car to the Right - TyroneIrish - 2:16pm 1/13/26
      - You forgot to mention that she was ordered not to leave. Then she guns it. [NT] - ELP - 2:19pm 1/13/26
        According to CBP/ICE policy it doesn't matter whether she complied or not...no shooting at vehicles - TyroneIrish - 2:23pm 1/13/26
        You're not an expert. You've never been in the field. You never had to face this. Stop play acting. [NT] - ELP - 2:43pm 1/13/26
        Chill...I'm referencing the expert commentary of others...see what happens when you don't read other - TyroneIrish - 3:24pm 1/13/26
        There are many experts chiming in. I have to question the expert you chose. [NT] - ELP - 3:29pm 1/13/26
        As you should...and don't hesitate to share your thoughts with me...that's how forum discussions are - TyroneIrish - 3:57pm 1/13/26
        Not in the mood for another lecture. I'll pass. [NT] - ELP - 4:54pm 1/13/26
        Works for me...;-) [NT] - TyroneIrish - 5:07pm 1/13/26
- The CBP/ICE's Training Manual is explicit in its policy of not creating dangerous situations and - TyroneIrish - 1:40pm 1/13/26

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