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I'll see you that and raise you this

Author: MarkHarman (7671 Posts - Original UHND Member)

Posted at 6:36 pm on Jan 13, 2026

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Someone pointed this out and showed the video of something that I hadn't considered...nor apparently has anyone else. The agent was in fact to the right side of her vehicle when she started to back up with her front wheels turned to the left, which then put him in front of her.

I have zero doubt she was trying to hit him, Ty, and you'll get no argument from me. But the fact is she did accelerate towards him initially. That's not even in dispute. And whether he should have fired is something that, as I pointed out, even the experts don't agree on. Now, I know you know more than the experts, but I'll go with the guys who actually do this for a living and say if they can't agree, maybe we shouldn't be so definitive in our beliefs by simply going along with what our "team" days we should believe.

Replies to: "I'll see you that and raise you this"

Maybe the differences in opinion with the Renee Good incident is this - MarkHarman - 1:37pm 1/13/26 (24) [View All]
- Hard to believe an internal conduct review would find against the ICE agent. - LanceManion - 1:56pm 1/13/26
  - Former FBI Senior Agent alluded to that...Ross still violated CBP/ICE policy by standing (slightly) - TyroneIrish - 2:19pm 1/13/26
    - You can say this all day long but it's not true - MarkHarman - 3:43pm 1/13/26
      - It is true, Mark...please read the linked proof... [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 4:27pm 1/13/26
        I'll see you that and raise you this - MarkHarman - 6:36pm 1/13/26
        Read all of the material I've provided..."The Guys Who Do This For A Living", Used to purposely - TyroneIrish - 8:09pm 1/13/26
      - . [NT] - TyroneIrish - 4:19pm 1/13/26
- No that's not it - Chris94 - 1:40pm 1/13/26
  - You're missing one half of the equation... - iairishcheeks - 4:38pm 1/13/26
    - I don't doubt that she was being a pain in the ass. - Chris94 - 5:19pm 1/13/26
      - She was a trained ICE stalker and agitator. - Hensou - 8:18pm 1/13/26
  - He was in front of the car, which she drove forward. After being told to get out of the car. [NT] - Hensou - 2:05pm 1/13/26
    - Officer Ross violated CBP/ICE Policy by creating a danger...and Ms. Good Turned her car to the Right - TyroneIrish - 2:16pm 1/13/26
      - You forgot to mention that she was ordered not to leave. Then she guns it. [NT] - ELP - 2:19pm 1/13/26
        According to CBP/ICE policy it doesn't matter whether she complied or not...no shooting at vehicles - TyroneIrish - 2:23pm 1/13/26
        You're not an expert. You've never been in the field. You never had to face this. Stop play acting. [NT] - ELP - 2:43pm 1/13/26
        Chill...I'm referencing the expert commentary of others...see what happens when you don't read other - TyroneIrish - 3:24pm 1/13/26
        There are many experts chiming in. I have to question the expert you chose. [NT] - ELP - 3:29pm 1/13/26
        As you should...and don't hesitate to share your thoughts with me...that's how forum discussions are - TyroneIrish - 3:57pm 1/13/26
        Not in the mood for another lecture. I'll pass. [NT] - ELP - 4:54pm 1/13/26
        Works for me...;-) [NT] - TyroneIrish - 5:07pm 1/13/26
- The CBP/ICE's Training Manual is explicit in its policy of not creating dangerous situations and - TyroneIrish - 1:40pm 1/13/26

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