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More on the relationship of "Just Wars" and Abortion...

Author: TyroneIrish (23380 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)
Posted at 6:26 pm on Jan 23, 2026
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...here is an AI summary of the RCC's position on Just Wars...i.e. the RCC provides counsel regarding the Prudential Judgement of 'extenuating circumstances' that would justify the killing of other persons...among them would be severe threats to the victim nation's citizens' physical well-being and freedom. Now change the ID of the victim to a woman who has been impregnated through force or coercion...again, there are severe threats to her health, even life...as well as personal freedom...for the rest of her life. Should she be given the right to exercise Prudential Judgement in deciding whether or not to terminate her Unwanted Pregnancy? Note that the pregnant woman is clearly the victim in such cases...not any government entity. (Cue the issue of fetal Personhood and its relevance)

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From the Catholic Church's perspective, the determination of whether a war is just rests with the civil authorities (political and military leaders) responsible for the common good, not with Church hierarchy. While the Church provides the moral framework (Just War Theory), leaders must make the prudential judgment that conditions—such as lasting, grave, and certain damage—are met.

Key Details on Responsibility and Criteria:

Responsibility of State Leaders: The Catechism of the Catholic Church (§2309) leaves the evaluation of the strict conditions for legitimate defense to those who have the responsibility for the common good.

Role of the Church: The Church counsels and provides moral guidelines, but does not dictate political or military decisions.

Conditions for Just War: According to the Catechism and thinkers like St. Thomas Aquinas, a war must meet specific criteria:
Damage inflicted by the aggressor must be lasting, grave, and certain.
All other means of ending the conflict must be impractical or ineffective (last resort).
There must be serious prospects of success.
The use of arms must not produce evils graver than the evil to be eliminated (proportionality).

Modern Context: Pope Francis has expressed deep skepticism about whether modern, indiscriminate weapons allow any conflict to meet these "rigorous conditions of moral legitimacy".

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Replies to: "More on the relationship of "Just Wars" and Abortion..."

  • Looks like the financial markets just love Trump's nonsense re Greenland. - conorlarkin - 4:12pm 1/20/26 (37) [View All]
    • Do you think "troops will die in battle" because of Trump's desire for Greenland? - NedoftheHill - 6:54pm 1/20/26
      • Any prediction on how DJT walks back all his inflammatory rhetoric re Greenland Takeover? - TyroneIrish - 9:48pm 1/20/26
        • Didn't read. I don't have any problem with priests absolving abortion in confession. - NedoftheHill - 10:21pm 1/20/26
          • Interesting...I read your post extolling yourself, while attempting to speak ill of me on this issue [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 10:40pm 1/20/26
            • I did not consider my statement as "extolling myself." I was merely describing my position. - NedoftheHill - 11:36pm 1/20/26
              • I'm back... - TyroneIrish - 10:47pm 1/21/26
                • Killings by soldiers in a Just War are not sinful, absent other factors. - NedoftheHill - 2:50pm 1/22/26
                  • More on the relationship of "Just Wars" and Abortion... - TyroneIrish - 6:26pm 1/23/26
                    • There is no such relationship. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 6:38am 1/24/26
                  • Consider that the "Just War" section of the RCC Catechism is not a 'Theory'...it is the Church's - TyroneIrish - 3:40pm 1/22/26
                    • It is not applicable to abortion. I notice you stay away from the Church's guidance on abortion. - NedoftheHill - 6:42am 1/24/26
              • i'll get back to you tomorrow...PM...but thanks for replying...more than some others here would do.. [NT] - TyroneIrish - 12:44am 1/21/26
        • It appears my prediction was deleted. Unfortunate. So, I guess not. Don't feel like retyping it. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 10:18pm 1/20/26
          • Try again…if that doesn’t work, B-Mail me [NT] - TyroneIrish - 11:24pm 1/20/26
            • I doubt my post was deleted for its content. Perhaps it depended upon another deleted post. - NedoftheHill - 11:43pm 1/20/26
      • Would you support a US invasion of Greenland? [NT] - ND521 - 7:47pm 1/20/26
        • Non-responsive. Do you think "troops will die in battle." Do you believe Trump would invade? [NT] - NedoftheHill - 10:07pm 1/20/26
        • We already have military base in Greenland. - iairishcheeks - 7:58pm 1/20/26
          • Non-responsive. Would you support a US invasion of Greenland? [NT] - ND521 - 8:01pm 1/20/26
            • How do you invade a country where you have the only military base? - iairishcheeks - 9:08pm 1/20/26
            • Well, you support an invasion of the US. It would seem you have no standing here. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 9:04pm 1/20/26
              • Heh. Good point. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 10:08pm 1/20/26
                • Btw, notice how Trump has EU putting troops on Greenland after yrs of them scoffing at requests - BaronVonZemo - 11:58pm 1/20/26
    • Sadly there are many like baron who support every inane thing that falls out of his mouth. - jimbasil - 4:47pm 1/20/26
      • Sadly there are people like you who criticize everything that Trump does. - Hensou - 5:11pm 1/20/26
    • "Chickens Coming Home To Roost"...now with WS being impacted, perhaps the GOP will start - TyroneIrish - 4:41pm 1/20/26
    • Perfect buying opportunity. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 4:40pm 1/20/26
    • Call Henny Penny and spread the news. [NT] - Hensou - 4:35pm 1/20/26
    • Whatever you say chicken little. Pass up on another buying opportunity. [NT] - LanceManion - 4:28pm 1/20/26
      • None of this needed to happen... - TyroneIrish - 4:50pm 1/20/26
        • Sure he did. [NT] - LanceManion - 5:47pm 1/20/26
          • Any substance to your objection? [NT] - TyroneIrish - 11:21pm 1/20/26
    • I don't think anyone else in this whole country thinks this is a good idea - Chris94 - 4:18pm 1/20/26

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