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The RCC Catechism is a summary of Catholic Church Doctrine...see Paragraph 2309, dealing with

Author: TyroneIrish (23919 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)

Posted at 5:22 am on Jan 28, 2026

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"Just Wars"...

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2309 The strict conditions for legitimate defense by military force require rigorous consideration. the gravity of such a decision makes it subject to rigorous conditions of moral legitimacy. At one and the same time:
- the damage inflicted by the aggressor on the nation or community of nations must be lasting, grave, and certain;
- all other means of putting an end to it must have been shown to be impractical or ineffective;
- there must be serious prospects of success;
- the use of arms must not produce evils and disorders graver than the evil to be eliminated. the power of modem means of destruction weighs very heavily in evaluating this condition.

These are the traditional elements enumerated in what is called the "just war" doctrine.
The evaluation of these conditions for moral legitimacy belongs to the prudential judgment of those who have responsibility for the common good.
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Just as nations illegally attacked by an aggressor have the right to use lethal means to stop the threats of harm to their physical, mental and free lives...so too must women be able to terminate totally unwanted pregnancies that were forced or coerced on them if they perceive the physical, mental/emotional and freedom denying threats that could impact them for the rest of their lives to be too great a burden.

The fact that Pope Francis made sure that any priest in the RCC could absolve all those involved in a chosen abortion...and not excommunicate them for doing so...plus stating the fact that the "Personhood" of a fetus is debated...leads one to use "Prudential Judgement" that if 'certain conditions' are met, then an abortion could be accepted, just as in the taking of many lives in a Just War.

We can...and should discuss this more...much more. I'm certainly willing...

btw, I don't question your faith...just your interpretation...let's keep that in mind. Believe it or not, we're after the same goal.

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- WaPo is in deep trouble. The end is near. [NT] - Hensou - 11:43pm 1/27/26
- Michael Byrd . Now that's shoot to kill with impunity. [NT] - ELP - 6:42pm 1/27/26
  - If ICE agents stopped a violent mob from storming the Capitol, you’d have a point - Chris94 - 9:53pm 1/27/26
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      - It's OK. Another Dem hissy fit tantrum. We've all grown used to it. [NT] - ELP - 2:48am 1/28/26
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    - Odd that Trump called for a full investigation. More Fake News from WaPo. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 1:05am 1/29/26
    - Right. I'm sure it was some kind of investigation. [NT] - ELP - 9:03pm 1/27/26
      - Yes. It was a thorough and formal investigation. It is what America has always demanded. - conorlarkin - 11:01pm 1/27/26
        Right. I'll take your word for it. Everything on the up & up - ELP - 11:59pm 1/27/26
        You should realize that you take the word of a Convicted Felon, Fraud, Rapist, Insurrectionist and - TyroneIrish - 2:59am 1/28/26
        I'll take the word of a convicted felon, fraud, rapist, insurrectionist over you any day. - ELP - 3:44am 1/28/26
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  - Ashli Babbitt was part of the mob that smashed an opening in the last barrier separating them - TyroneIrish - 7:14pm 1/27/26
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        No deep thinking there. Just simple partisanship. Too bad life ain’t that simple. [NT] - RocketRay - 3:46am 1/28/26
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        Unfortunately, for you, we can all research the words Trump’s opposition chose to PUT IN WRITING [NT] - Kalc - 3:22pm 1/28/26
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        Explain why Trump requests soldiers for protection to supposedly make it easier to overthrow Capitol [NT] - Kalc - 4:00pm 1/28/26
        According to the House Investigation of the Jan. 6th Attack, it was Pence who called for the DCNG, [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 2:18am 1/29/26
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        Jim, the board jester. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 10:09pm 1/27/26
        Truth hurts, eh neddie? Facts are stubborn no matter how - jimbasil - 10:19pm 1/27/26
        You have a superpower in reversing facts, thereby demonstrating that vigilance for truth is required [NT] - NedoftheHill - 10:27pm 1/27/26
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        I...and the majority of Americans...and Catholics...and the American College of Obstetricians and - TyroneIrish - 2:42am 1/28/26
        Catholic Catechism 2270: "Human life must be...protected absolutely from the moment of conception." - NedoftheHill - 3:31am 1/28/26
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        The RCC Catechism is a summary of Catholic Church Doctrine...see Paragraph 2309, dealing with - TyroneIrish - 5:22am 1/28/26
        
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        Are you pro-life? - NedoftheHill - 8:38pm 1/27/26

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