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Unreal...you want an answer to YOUR question...but refuse to dialogue on my questions/answers...

Author: TyroneIrish (23978 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)
Posted at 9:24 pm on Feb 1, 2026
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...well, you are who you are, can't change that, but I'll share my thoughts...

>The fact that RCC Doctrine allows for the killing of un-debated persons in Just War scenarios (Note: it is Doctrine...not simply a "Theory" as you tried to mislead)...after a rigid process of "Prudential Judgement" by the victimized nation has been completed...tells me that certain circumstances (physical harm, loss of freedom) are enough to justify the taking of other persons' lives...even very large numbers of them.. Furthermore, that determination is the sole responsibility of that nation...no one else. BTW, the RCC still states forcefully that 'Killing' is always a moral evil.
> Since the RCC allows mass killings of real persons, it is inconceivable that the Church would force an innocent woman who was impregnated by force or coercion to carry a totally unwanted pregnancy to term, knowing that it could severely affect her physical/mental health and freedom for the rest of her life.
> The RCC's/Francis' response to the Brazilian bishop's Excommunication of all those involved in a procured abortion procedure for a 9 yr old girl by her Step-Father (Reversing his Excommunication order...and allowing All RCC Priests to Absolve the sin of Abortion in the Confessional, with a return to full Communion with the Church, tells me that there are circumstances where women do have recourse to abortion, IF they exercise the same Prudential Judgement as Nations do when confronted with War.
> The fact that Francis acknowledged the debate over fetal Personhood tells me that an abortion, if chosen early, provides an opportunity to choose whether or not to allow the pregnancy to proceed to term...
> On a Secular level, government banning of abortion only creates more unjust harm to women by forcing 'Self' and 'Back Alley' abortions, like before Roe v Wade. Something you express no concern over.
> On a Political level, the vast majority of Americans believe in legalized abortions, and those who refuse to accept this fact will pay for it at the ballot box, starting this November.


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Replies to: "Unreal...you want an answer to YOUR question...but refuse to dialogue on my questions/answers..."

  • Comments? [NT] [LINK] - Hensou - 1:37pm 2/1/26 (68) [View All]
    • “Georgetown West” [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 7:20pm 2/1/26
      • Indeed. Cover that crucifix for the Democrats. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 9:20pm 2/1/26
        • Dining halls will soon be serving halal and kosher meat [NT] - LanceManion - 12:21am 2/2/26
    • Jesus taught us to love. Why do MAGAs almost always choose hate & discrimination? [NT] - ND521 - 5:39pm 2/1/26
      • What a bizarre statement wholly unrelated to the topic. [NT] - jakers - 3:20am 2/2/26
      • You have no love for the unborn innocent little ones. - ELP - 6:15pm 2/1/26
        • Wrong. Why do you genuflect for Don, a child rapist who paid for multiple abortions? [NT] - ND521 - 11:34pm 2/1/26
          • So, I'm assuming you have that evidence that you're ready to present to the board. [NT] - ELP - 1:36am 2/2/26
        • Seems a new tactic on his & Tyrone's part... - NedoftheHill - 6:25pm 2/1/26
          • Stop spreading false rumors...just ask me point blank...and respond point blank to my answers... - TyroneIrish - 8:09pm 2/1/26
            • Ha! Let's see if you can do it... - NedoftheHill - 8:59pm 2/1/26
              • Unreal...you want an answer to YOUR question...but refuse to dialogue on my questions/answers... - TyroneIrish - 9:24pm 2/1/26
                • The Pope and Church have a concrete position on abortion. - jakers - 3:21am 2/2/26
                • Ha! I didn't think you could do it. So brazen about it, too. Not surprising. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 9:44pm 2/1/26
                  • Still no justice for women from Ned...'Just Tough It Out, Honey' [NT] - TyroneIrish - 10:04pm 2/1/26
                    • BTW: I give you credit for making a pro-abortion argument that doesn't misrepresent Chuch teaching. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 12:03am 2/2/26
                      • The Church teaches that ALL life must be respected...and that includes women who are unjustly - TyroneIrish - 12:31am 2/2/26
                        • And here you were doing so well. Go back and read the Catechism, and see where you went wrong. - NedoftheHill - 1:07am 2/2/26
                    • Still no justice for innocent babies, Tyrone...just tough out the dismemberment. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 11:15pm 2/1/26
                      • Again...you ignore the innocent woman being assaulted and give her no choice in the matter... - TyroneIrish - 12:13am 2/2/26
                        • On the contrary. I recognize the full and true heinous nature of the assault... - NedoftheHill - 12:21am 2/2/26
                          • OK, we're making progress...you accept that a forced/coerced pregnancy is an attack on the innocent - TyroneIrish - 5:47am 2/2/26
                            • I stopped reading at your 2nd sentence: "However, as Pope Francis intimated..." - NedoftheHill - 3:37pm 2/2/26
                              • NP...I'll change the sentence to read "as Pope Francis Stated, the Personhood of a fetus is Debated - TyroneIrish - 4:10pm 2/2/26
          • Nothing in your comment text is true. Or even close. [NT] - ND521 - 8:03pm 2/1/26
            • And yet you seek to make my "comment text" true with your posts. - NedoftheHill - 9:01pm 2/1/26
    • Let's hear it for litmuses tests [NT] - D2 - 5:17pm 2/1/26
    • She doesn’t look Asian, is she transitioning? [NT] - holybull101 - 5:13pm 2/1/26
    • Not sure that the director of an Asian Studies center is worth all this angst - Chris94 - 4:50pm 2/1/26
    • Another Observer article. If I were a betting man, I’d say she’s toast. - LanceManion - 3:00pm 2/1/26
      • Susan Ostermann has been a well respected professor at ND since 2017...she was given that leadership - TyroneIrish - 3:48pm 2/1/26
        • BUT WHAT ABOUT THE ZYGOTES?!?! - Chris94 - 6:46pm 2/1/26
        • Lying again about Personhoodgate, I see [NT] - MarkHarman - 5:52pm 2/1/26
          • He actually said the issue was/is debated…no lie. [NT] - TyroneIrish - 6:15pm 2/1/26
            • He recognized fact that people like you debate legal personhood & said the debate is irrelevant. - NedoftheHill - 9:11pm 2/1/26
              • Francis could have said that Personhood begins at conception...he didn't...face up to the reality - TyroneIrish - 4:57pm 2/2/26
              • He knows this. He's pushing his handlers' agenda. [NT] - jakers - 3:29am 2/2/26
                • "Repeat the lie" (ad nauseum) is one of his (group's) key tenets... [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 3:05pm 2/2/26
                  • Yep. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 3:38pm 2/2/26
        • I’m sure she’s respected in her field but the disparaging comments will kill her - LanceManion - 5:21pm 2/1/26
          • Her history was well known prior to her selection…why should this be a problem? [NT] - TyroneIrish - 6:17pm 2/1/26
        • Pope Francis opposes ALL abortion. You're lying again. [NT] - jakers - 3:56pm 2/1/26
          • What then is the purpose of Francis mentioning the Debate over fetal Personhood?...he could have - TyroneIrish - 4:44pm 2/1/26
            • He said regardless of the outcome of that debate, abortion is morally wrong. - NedoftheHill - 6:34pm 2/1/26
              • Under certain conditions, RCC Doctrine allows for Killing others (see Catechism Par. 2309)...why not - TyroneIrish - 8:03pm 2/1/26
                • Not for abortion. See Section 2270 et. seq., entitled, believe it or not, "Abortion." - NedoftheHill - 9:18pm 2/1/26
                  • I've read that section...it states that the embryo must be treated "As" a person,..but not "IS" a - TyroneIrish - 11:33pm 2/1/26
                    • It says more than that. You are looking for non-existent differences between "is" and "treated as." - NedoftheHill - 12:14am 2/2/26
                      • More background on Francis' allowance of all RCC priests to not excommunicate those involved in an [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 4:52pm 2/2/26
                      • From your post... - TyroneIrish - 4:36pm 2/2/26
              • “Doctors who do this are – allow me the word – hitmen. They are hitmen”. Pope Francis added… - TakethetrainKnute - 7:51pm 2/1/26
                • Read the linked article...subsequent to the events described, Pope Francis overturned the Bishop's [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 7:19pm 2/2/26
                • In the case of 'Just Wars', soldiers of the attacked nation are allowed to become "Hitmen"...under - TyroneIrish - 8:52pm 2/1/26
    • Let us know if the University invites Trump or Vance as a commencement speaker. - conorlarkin - 2:16pm 2/1/26
      • No Trump. Thank you Fr John! [NT] - ND521 - 5:47pm 2/1/26
    • How much funding will she bring to ND? [NT] - Shadow_of_the_Dome - 2:08pm 2/1/26
      • $8 [NT] - LanceManion - 3:01pm 2/1/26
    • Miscamble opinion [NT] [LINK] - Hensou - 1:41pm 2/1/26
      • Well said by Fr. Miscamble. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 6:42pm 2/1/26
      • Another Fr Ted hater. Like you. [NT] - ND521 - 5:54pm 2/1/26
      • Based on Miscamble's 'hatchet job' of a book on Fr. Ted, I'd say he has a jaundiced view of our - TyroneIrish - 3:53pm 2/1/26
        • Not "our." - jakers - 4:00pm 2/1/26
          • That would make you a certified Liar…just so you know - TyroneIrish - 6:23pm 2/1/26
            • I graduated from Notre Dame. You did not. [NT] - jakers - 3:19am 2/2/26
              • And you know this How? ;-) [NT] - TyroneIrish - 4:47am 2/2/26
      • She’ll get bounced following parental & donor pressure. - LanceManion - 2:51pm 2/1/26
        • We can only hope. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 6:41pm 2/1/26

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