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On the contrary. I recognize the full and true heinous nature of the assault...

Author: NedoftheHill (46063 Posts - Joined: Jun 30, 2011)
Posted at 12:21 am on Feb 2, 2026
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and the burden put upon her by the assault. That is what makes this such a tough issue. The question is, does the nature of the assault justify murder to transfer the harm from the woman to her child.

In general, the law does not support moving harm from one innocent person to another innocent person, because the second innocent person has been classified as less than a person. The Germans did that. Other societies have done that. We don't do that. Victimizing additional people is not a morally licit solution. Instead, criminal law traditionally leaves the victim at one person, where the harm initially fell. Our options under the law are traditionally (1) to help the victim to the best of your ability, and (2) to punish the perpetrator to the full extent of the law (something you don't support if the perpetrator is an illegal alien, for example). Those who support abortion have been arguing for an exception to the customary approach, and because of that, the burden of persuasion is on you, and it should be higher, since you argue for an exception not traditionally granted. You are arguing to move a legal harm from one innocent person to a second innocent person, because we can't hear the cries of the second innocent person. I don't think that is a moral option.

But again, I give you credit: You are now arguing the merits of abortion without misleading anyone regarding the teaching of the Church. See?...it can be done. I personally happen to find your argument lacking, but at least we are arguing the merits of the issue, and not your twisting of the teaching of the Church.


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Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good.

Replies to: "On the contrary. I recognize the full and true heinous nature of the assault..."

  • Comments? [NT] [LINK] - Hensou - 1:37pm 2/1/26 (53) [View All]
    • “Georgetown West” [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 7:20pm 2/1/26
      • Indeed. Cover that crucifix for the Democrats. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 9:20pm 2/1/26
        • Dining halls will soon be serving halal and kosher meat [NT] - LanceManion - 12:21am 2/2/26
    • Jesus taught us to love. Why do MAGAs almost always choose hate & discrimination? [NT] - ND521 - 5:39pm 2/1/26
      • You have no love for the unborn innocent little ones. - ELP - 6:15pm 2/1/26
        • Wrong. Why do you genuflect for Don, a child rapist who paid for multiple abortions? [NT] - ND521 - 11:34pm 2/1/26
          • So, I'm assuming you have that evidence that you're ready to present to the board. [NT] - ELP - 1:36am 2/2/26
        • Seems a new tactic on his & Tyrone's part... - NedoftheHill - 6:25pm 2/1/26
          • Stop spreading false rumors...just ask me point blank...and respond point blank to my answers... - TyroneIrish - 8:09pm 2/1/26
            • Ha! Let's see if you can do it... - NedoftheHill - 8:59pm 2/1/26
              • Unreal...you want an answer to YOUR question...but refuse to dialogue on my questions/answers... - TyroneIrish - 9:24pm 2/1/26
                • Ha! I didn't think you could do it. So brazen about it, too. Not surprising. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 9:44pm 2/1/26
                  • Still no justice for women from Ned...'Just Tough It Out, Honey' [NT] - TyroneIrish - 10:04pm 2/1/26
                    • BTW: I give you credit for making a pro-abortion argument that doesn't misrepresent Chuch teaching. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 12:03am 2/2/26
                      • The Church teaches that ALL life must be respected...and that includes women who are unjustly - TyroneIrish - 12:31am 2/2/26
                        • And here you were doing so well. Go back and read the Catechism, and see where you went wrong. - NedoftheHill - 1:07am 2/2/26
                    • Still no justice for innocent babies, Tyrone...just tough out the dismemberment. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 11:15pm 2/1/26
                      • Again...you ignore the innocent woman being assaulted and give her no choice in the matter... - TyroneIrish - 12:13am 2/2/26
                        • On the contrary. I recognize the full and true heinous nature of the assault... - NedoftheHill - 12:21am 2/2/26
          • Nothing in your comment text is true. Or even close. [NT] - ND521 - 8:03pm 2/1/26
            • And yet you seek to make my "comment text" true with your posts. - NedoftheHill - 9:01pm 2/1/26
    • Let's hear it for litmuses tests [NT] - D2 - 5:17pm 2/1/26
    • She doesn’t look Asian, is she transitioning? [NT] - holybull101 - 5:13pm 2/1/26
    • Not sure that the director of an Asian Studies center is worth all this angst - Chris94 - 4:50pm 2/1/26
    • Another Observer article. If I were a betting man, I’d say she’s toast. - LanceManion - 3:00pm 2/1/26
      • Susan Ostermann has been a well respected professor at ND since 2017...she was given that leadership - TyroneIrish - 3:48pm 2/1/26
        • BUT WHAT ABOUT THE ZYGOTES?!?! - Chris94 - 6:46pm 2/1/26
        • Lying again about Personhoodgate, I see [NT] - MarkHarman - 5:52pm 2/1/26
          • He actually said the issue was/is debated…no lie. [NT] - TyroneIrish - 6:15pm 2/1/26
            • He recognized fact that people like you debate legal personhood & said the debate is irrelevant. - NedoftheHill - 9:11pm 2/1/26
        • I’m sure she’s respected in her field but the disparaging comments will kill her - LanceManion - 5:21pm 2/1/26
          • Her history was well known prior to her selection…why should this be a problem? [NT] - TyroneIrish - 6:17pm 2/1/26
        • Pope Francis opposes ALL abortion. You're lying again. [NT] - jakers - 3:56pm 2/1/26
          • What then is the purpose of Francis mentioning the Debate over fetal Personhood?...he could have - TyroneIrish - 4:44pm 2/1/26
            • He said regardless of the outcome of that debate, abortion is morally wrong. - NedoftheHill - 6:34pm 2/1/26
              • Under certain conditions, RCC Doctrine allows for Killing others (see Catechism Par. 2309)...why not - TyroneIrish - 8:03pm 2/1/26
                • Not for abortion. See Section 2270 et. seq., entitled, believe it or not, "Abortion." - NedoftheHill - 9:18pm 2/1/26
                  • I've read that section...it states that the embryo must be treated "As" a person,..but not "IS" a - TyroneIrish - 11:33pm 2/1/26
                    • It says more than that. You are looking for non-existent differences between "is" and "treated as." - NedoftheHill - 12:14am 2/2/26
              • “Doctors who do this are – allow me the word – hitmen. They are hitmen”. Pope Francis added… - TakethetrainKnute - 7:51pm 2/1/26
                • In the case of 'Just Wars', soldiers of the attacked nation are allowed to become "Hitmen"...under - TyroneIrish - 8:52pm 2/1/26
    • Let us know if the University invites Trump or Vance as a commencement speaker. - conorlarkin - 2:16pm 2/1/26
      • No Trump. Thank you Fr John! [NT] - ND521 - 5:47pm 2/1/26
    • How much funding will she bring to ND? [NT] - Shadow_of_the_Dome - 2:08pm 2/1/26
      • $8 [NT] - LanceManion - 3:01pm 2/1/26
    • Miscamble opinion [NT] [LINK] - Hensou - 1:41pm 2/1/26
      • Well said by Fr. Miscamble. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 6:42pm 2/1/26
      • Another Fr Ted hater. Like you. [NT] - ND521 - 5:54pm 2/1/26
      • Based on Miscamble's 'hatchet job' of a book on Fr. Ted, I'd say he has a jaundiced view of our - TyroneIrish - 3:53pm 2/1/26
        • Not "our." - jakers - 4:00pm 2/1/26
          • That would make you a certified Liar…just so you know - TyroneIrish - 6:23pm 2/1/26
      • She’ll get bounced following parental & donor pressure. - LanceManion - 2:51pm 2/1/26
        • We can only hope. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 6:41pm 2/1/26

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