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OK, we're making progress...you accept that a forced/coerced pregnancy is an attack on the innocent

Author: TyroneIrish (23523 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)
Posted at 5:47 am on Feb 2, 2026
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woman...an attack that begins a biological process leading to the creation of another person. However, as Pope Francis intimated, and secular institutions confirm...the early stages of pregnancy involving an embryo/fetus does not constitute a Human Person...i.e. there is no "Limbo" anymore in Catholic theology, nor are there Names, Sex, Dates in Church or Governmental records for miscarriages....so the embryo/fetus is a "Potential Person"...note too, that the majority of conceptions never make it to the point of viability.

With these facts in mind, the intent of the victimized woman is not to go out and "Murder" an innocent Person, but rather to 'Self Defend' and Protect herself from severe physical/mental harm (possibly loss of life)...and loss of freedom...for the rest of her life...No Small Matter. At this early stage, she needs to decide whether or not to allow the biological process to proceed to term, or not. She might choose to give the resulting child to a placement agency, or she might feel that the constant 'presence' is too much to bear, or decide that the physical/mental/freedom problems are too overwhelming...as evidenced by the hundreds of thousands of Pre-Roe v Wade 'Self' and 'Back Alley' abortions

Note that in the Just War scenario, the Intent of the victimized nation is not to go out and 'Murder' others, but to use the only means available (lethal force) to protect their lives and freedoms by stopping the unjust aggressive attack...in the Abortion case, it's stopping the biological process.

I'll add...and try to always add...that I believe we share a common goal...Reduce the number of abortions which are frankly caused by Unwanted Pregnancies...hopefully, without added trauma to the affected women...my suggestion is a) Contraception...b) Sex/Sexuality Education...and c) Funding for Programs that make it palatable for women in these conditions to carry their pregnancies to term. As we've seen before, banning Abortions will not stop them...and will only harm more women (by the hundreds of thousands...for sure.

Your rurn...


Replies to: "OK, we're making progress...you accept that a forced/coerced pregnancy is an attack on the innocent"

  • Comments? [NT] [LINK] - Hensou - 1:37pm 2/1/26 (60) [View All]
    • “Georgetown West” [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 7:20pm 2/1/26
      • Indeed. Cover that crucifix for the Democrats. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 9:20pm 2/1/26
        • Dining halls will soon be serving halal and kosher meat [NT] - LanceManion - 12:21am 2/2/26
    • Jesus taught us to love. Why do MAGAs almost always choose hate & discrimination? [NT] - ND521 - 5:39pm 2/1/26
      • What a bizarre statement wholly unrelated to the topic. [NT] - jakers - 3:20am 2/2/26
      • You have no love for the unborn innocent little ones. - ELP - 6:15pm 2/1/26
        • Wrong. Why do you genuflect for Don, a child rapist who paid for multiple abortions? [NT] - ND521 - 11:34pm 2/1/26
          • So, I'm assuming you have that evidence that you're ready to present to the board. [NT] - ELP - 1:36am 2/2/26
        • Seems a new tactic on his & Tyrone's part... - NedoftheHill - 6:25pm 2/1/26
          • Stop spreading false rumors...just ask me point blank...and respond point blank to my answers... - TyroneIrish - 8:09pm 2/1/26
            • Quit fucking lying [NT] - jakers - 3:15am 2/2/26
            • Ha! Let's see if you can do it... - NedoftheHill - 8:59pm 2/1/26
              • Unreal...you want an answer to YOUR question...but refuse to dialogue on my questions/answers... - TyroneIrish - 9:24pm 2/1/26
                • The Pope and Church have a concrete position on abortion. - jakers - 3:21am 2/2/26
                • Ha! I didn't think you could do it. So brazen about it, too. Not surprising. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 9:44pm 2/1/26
                  • Still no justice for women from Ned...'Just Tough It Out, Honey' [NT] - TyroneIrish - 10:04pm 2/1/26
                    • BTW: I give you credit for making a pro-abortion argument that doesn't misrepresent Chuch teaching. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 12:03am 2/2/26
                      • The Church teaches that ALL life must be respected...and that includes women who are unjustly - TyroneIrish - 12:31am 2/2/26
                        • And here you were doing so well. Go back and read the Catechism, and see where you went wrong. - NedoftheHill - 1:07am 2/2/26
                    • Still no justice for innocent babies, Tyrone...just tough out the dismemberment. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 11:15pm 2/1/26
                      • Again...you ignore the innocent woman being assaulted and give her no choice in the matter... - TyroneIrish - 12:13am 2/2/26
                        • On the contrary. I recognize the full and true heinous nature of the assault... - NedoftheHill - 12:21am 2/2/26
                          • OK, we're making progress...you accept that a forced/coerced pregnancy is an attack on the innocent - TyroneIrish - 5:47am 2/2/26
          • Nothing in your comment text is true. Or even close. [NT] - ND521 - 8:03pm 2/1/26
            • And yet you seek to make my "comment text" true with your posts. - NedoftheHill - 9:01pm 2/1/26
    • Let's hear it for litmuses tests [NT] - D2 - 5:17pm 2/1/26
    • She doesn’t look Asian, is she transitioning? [NT] - holybull101 - 5:13pm 2/1/26
    • Not sure that the director of an Asian Studies center is worth all this angst - Chris94 - 4:50pm 2/1/26
    • Another Observer article. If I were a betting man, I’d say she’s toast. - LanceManion - 3:00pm 2/1/26
      • Susan Ostermann has been a well respected professor at ND since 2017...she was given that leadership - TyroneIrish - 3:48pm 2/1/26
        • BUT WHAT ABOUT THE ZYGOTES?!?! - Chris94 - 6:46pm 2/1/26
        • Lying again about Personhoodgate, I see [NT] - MarkHarman - 5:52pm 2/1/26
          • He actually said the issue was/is debated…no lie. [NT] - TyroneIrish - 6:15pm 2/1/26
            • He recognized fact that people like you debate legal personhood & said the debate is irrelevant. - NedoftheHill - 9:11pm 2/1/26
              • He knows this. He's pushing his handlers' agenda. [NT] - jakers - 3:29am 2/2/26
        • I’m sure she’s respected in her field but the disparaging comments will kill her - LanceManion - 5:21pm 2/1/26
          • Her history was well known prior to her selection…why should this be a problem? [NT] - TyroneIrish - 6:17pm 2/1/26
        • Pope Francis opposes ALL abortion. You're lying again. [NT] - jakers - 3:56pm 2/1/26
          • What then is the purpose of Francis mentioning the Debate over fetal Personhood?...he could have - TyroneIrish - 4:44pm 2/1/26
            • He said regardless of the outcome of that debate, abortion is morally wrong. - NedoftheHill - 6:34pm 2/1/26
              • Under certain conditions, RCC Doctrine allows for Killing others (see Catechism Par. 2309)...why not - TyroneIrish - 8:03pm 2/1/26
                • Not for abortion. See Section 2270 et. seq., entitled, believe it or not, "Abortion." - NedoftheHill - 9:18pm 2/1/26
                  • I've read that section...it states that the embryo must be treated "As" a person,..but not "IS" a - TyroneIrish - 11:33pm 2/1/26
                    • It says more than that. You are looking for non-existent differences between "is" and "treated as." - NedoftheHill - 12:14am 2/2/26
              • “Doctors who do this are – allow me the word – hitmen. They are hitmen”. Pope Francis added… - TakethetrainKnute - 7:51pm 2/1/26
                • In the case of 'Just Wars', soldiers of the attacked nation are allowed to become "Hitmen"...under - TyroneIrish - 8:52pm 2/1/26
    • Let us know if the University invites Trump or Vance as a commencement speaker. - conorlarkin - 2:16pm 2/1/26
      • No Trump. Thank you Fr John! [NT] - ND521 - 5:47pm 2/1/26
    • How much funding will she bring to ND? [NT] - Shadow_of_the_Dome - 2:08pm 2/1/26
      • $8 [NT] - LanceManion - 3:01pm 2/1/26
    • Miscamble opinion [NT] [LINK] - Hensou - 1:41pm 2/1/26
      • Well said by Fr. Miscamble. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 6:42pm 2/1/26
      • Another Fr Ted hater. Like you. [NT] - ND521 - 5:54pm 2/1/26
      • Based on Miscamble's 'hatchet job' of a book on Fr. Ted, I'd say he has a jaundiced view of our - TyroneIrish - 3:53pm 2/1/26
        • Not "our." - jakers - 4:00pm 2/1/26
          • That would make you a certified Liar…just so you know - TyroneIrish - 6:23pm 2/1/26
            • I graduated from Notre Dame. You did not. [NT] - jakers - 3:19am 2/2/26
              • And you know this How? ;-) [NT] - TyroneIrish - 4:47am 2/2/26
      • She’ll get bounced following parental & donor pressure. - LanceManion - 2:51pm 2/1/26
        • We can only hope. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 6:41pm 2/1/26

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