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I stipulate that Abortion is a sin...and that an embryo/fetus should be treated "AS" a potential

Author: TyroneIrish (23558 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)
Posted at 4:09 am on Feb 4, 2026
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human being, although it is not recognized as a Person...like a woman who can bear a child....now, back to 2272...

i2272 Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. "A person who procures a completed abortion incurs excommunication latae sententiae,"76 "by the very commission of the offense,"77 and subject to the conditions provided by Canon Law.78 The Church does not thereby intend to restrict the scope of mercy. Rather, she makes clear the gravity of the crime committed, the irreparable harm done to the innocent who is put to death, as well as to the parents and the whole of society.

Pope Francis overturned this penalty (Excommunication) and made Abortion "Forgivable" through the Sacrament of Reconciliation. If it is forgivable, at least under certain conditions...then for Mercy and Justice's sake it needs to be legal and available. The Brazilian Bishop was/is a 'Hard Liner' who was unable to make a Prudential Judgment in the case of the 9 yr old girl...he was/is a "lIteralist" with no sense of Mercy or Fairness for the young girl and her family. Fortunately, Pope Francis was the opposite...

How would you characterize yourself...a Hard Line Literalist....or someone who is Merciful and capable of Making a Prudential Judgement allowing her to undergo an abortion?

Remember that a U.S. nationwide ban on abortion (our immediate concern) would put millions of women in a no-win condition...just like before Roe v Wade...a Forced or Coerced pregnancy they never wanted which could cause physical and mental harm for the rest of their lives...and maybe even lose their lives...especially if they resorted to 'Self' or 'Back Alley' abortions...which experience shows us would definitely happen in large numbers...and mostly to those who are poor...the wealthy will always find a way to get abortion access.

You said you cared about the horrible attack on that 9 yr old Brazilian girl...and that you are ok with priests being able to forgive abortions...so why the objection to legalized abortions that would provide the best medical care in such situations?


Replies to: "I stipulate that Abortion is a sin...and that an embryo/fetus should be treated "AS" a potential"

  • Ned, any comment on my reply to your Catechetical references yesterday? [NT] [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 10:05pm 2/3/26 (6) [View All]
    • Make your final argument, and then let's give this topic a rest. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 5:34am 2/4/26
    • No. You have no comment on Sections 2270-71? - NedoftheHill - 10:21pm 2/3/26
      • But I did for 2272...Pope Francis overturned the Brazilian Bishop's 'latae sententiae' (automatic) - TyroneIrish - 10:42pm 2/3/26
        • Correct. I don't think it is as "profound" as you do, because I'm not trying to twist its meaning. - NedoftheHill - 11:19pm 2/3/26
          • I stipulate that Abortion is a sin...and that an embryo/fetus should be treated "AS" a potential - TyroneIrish - 4:09am 2/4/26
            • Because of 2270-71, to answer the question in your last paragraph. - NedoftheHill - 5:31am 2/4/26

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