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I generally agree, but for different reasons

Author: Chris94 (36756 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 8:21 pm on Apr 17, 2016
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NATO doesn't actually cost that much, so trump's basically a stooge.

But it is a complete anachronism, and the expansion has been a major, major blunder. Especially the expansion to the Baltics, which makes it much more likely that we will get sucked into a conflict that has nothing at all to do with our national interest. And that, more than anything else, poisoned our relations with Moscow. For nothing. It's not like we're safer now that we are treaty allies with Albania, for chrissakes.

I'd rather have no NATO than the current NATO.

Clinton expanded it first, and Bush followed. Expansion halted under Obama...but I bet it continues under either Clinton 2 or anyone from the GOP. And that would be a disaster.


Replies to: "I generally agree, but for different reasons"

  • - Eli - 2:19pm 4/17/16 (36) [View All]
    • I disagree. They seem quite useful..... [LINK] - BaronVonZemo - 11:58pm 4/17/16
    • I agree somewhat but that isn't the biggest problem with NATO. The NATO mission should be........... - NDinTN - 9:38pm 4/17/16
      • Huh, CC2, Chris, TN ad me. What an interesting group made by Trump, let me say it for Frank L [NT] - Eli - 1:51am 4/18/16
    • I generally agree, but for different reasons - Chris94 - 8:21pm 4/17/16
      • H W Bush had it correct in his chicken Kiev speech. - Frank L - 1:05pm 4/18/16
        • I think President Cruz would expand to cover Ukraine - Chris94 - 6:28pm 4/18/16
          • Another example of why I'd much rather have President Trump than President Cruz. - ND_in_ATL - 8:25pm 4/18/16
            • Trump is too much of a wild card - Chris94 - 8:32pm 4/18/16
              • Obama accepted teaching? [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 1:39am 4/21/16
      • US directed NATO strikes in Libya proved for good it needs to be disbanded - CC72 - 9:23pm 4/17/16
    • Compared to the cost of out of control entitlements for which he proposes no reform, the costs - Frank L - 7:31pm 4/17/16
      • A former English foreign minister once said that NATO had three roles.... - Chris94 - 5:25pm 4/18/16
        • I have to confess, NATO expansion always made me uncomfortable. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 6:08pm 4/18/16
        • All three still have relevance and are included in my four. - Frank L - 5:35pm 4/18/16
          • And yet, without the Baltic expansion, one or two of those nations might not be there now. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 6:10pm 4/18/16
            • Gimme a break. NATO expanded there in 2004. - Chris94 - 6:27pm 4/18/16
              • On the flip side, NATO involvement with a member state may ensure a peaceful resolution. - Frank L - 10:08am 4/19/16
              • 2004 is a long time ago on this issue. - NedoftheHill - 8:59pm 4/18/16
              • Have you ever met anyone from the Balkan region? - iairishcheeks - 7:06pm 4/18/16
                • I've been to Eastern Europe recently. Many there really do live in fear of Russia. - NedoftheHill - 8:55pm 4/18/16
                • You mean the Baltics? - Chris94 - 8:31pm 4/18/16
                  • Albania, that's Balkan, no? - iairishcheeks - 8:43pm 4/18/16
                    • It sure is - Chris94 - 9:05pm 4/18/16
          • In fact his three are my first three. [NT] - Frank L - 5:36pm 4/18/16
      • We know NATO is a DEFENSE pact made against the rising communism. Where did you get your 4 reasons? [LINK] - Eli - 2:39am 4/18/16
        • Irrelevant where I got them, you can't refute that they are true. - Frank L - 12:59pm 4/18/16
      • I assume his plan for entitlement spending is to make poor people pay for it. - ND_in_ATL - 7:53pm 4/17/16
    • Genius... you're almost scholarly - jimbasil - 7:31pm 4/17/16
      • Just "almost". But you're already a scholar, specialized in legacy of Bush presidency [NT] - Eli - 2:20am 4/18/16
        • Yours and Trump's grasp on the compexities of world issues astounds. - jimbasil - 2:49am 4/18/16
          • Obviously my post is not for low-info readers like you. - Eli - 7:49pm 4/19/16
    • Trump's, and your, view is incredibly shortsighted. - LanceHarbor - 6:06pm 4/17/16
      • NATO helps achieve that? You are delusional - CC72 - 9:24pm 4/17/16
        • how can I argue with such a well written post [NT] - LanceHarbor - 9:29pm 4/17/16
      • Your last sentence is 100% correct. - ND_in_ATL - 7:00pm 4/17/16
    • I agree with Trump in general on this issue - CC72 - 2:56pm 4/17/16
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