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Pope Francis didn't 'Take Sides' when Ukraine fought back against Russia...and even in WWII, the

Author: TyroneIrish  (24255 Posts - Joined: Oct 8, 2020)
Posted at 3:35 am on Apr 22, 2026
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Vatican did not declare a "Just War"...as I said, the Catholic Church pushes for Peace...Always...but provides a checklist for nations to consider...and Act in Accordance with, should the circumstances become overwhelming for them. If you weren't so literal...i.e. Black and White...you might have figured this out for yourself. If the RCC picks a side, it's lost its objectivity...and standing as a Peace Seeking Entity.

Good Heavens, you can be incredibly dense...and devoid of any ability to comprehend nuance....here's an overview of how the RCC dealt with this issue during WWII...
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AI Overview
The Vatican did not formally declare Allied military actions to be a "Just War" during World War II. While the Holy See maintained a policy of official neutrality throughout the conflict, Pope Pius XII and Vatican diplomats engaged in complex, behind-the-scenes actions that included sharing intelligence with the Allies, while avoiding public condemnations of the Axis powers that might worsen the plight of Catholics in occupied territories
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Key points regarding the Vatican's stance:
Official Neutrality: The Vatican sought to maintain neutrality to protect its status as an independent entity and to act as a potential mediator, which precluded labeling either side's military actions as entirely "just"

Proportionate Defense Concern: The Catholic Just War Theory requires that war be a last resort and that force be proportional. The Vatican grew increasingly concerned with Allied tactics, specifically the "obliteration bombing" of cities, which Catholic theologians later condemned because they believed the evil means did not justify the end, even in a defensive war
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Moral Concerns vs. Propaganda: While Allied powers sought a public condemnation of Nazi atrocities from the Pope, Pius XII believed that explicitly naming one side would cause further atrocities against Catholics and Jews by the Nazis, especially as he felt he would also have to condemn Soviet actions .

Post-War Recognition: In 1944, after the liberation of Rome, Pope Pius XII did meet with and bless Allied soldiers, acknowledging them as liberators of Rome
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Note: In 2022, Pope Francis stated that the concept of "just war" should be rethought, noting that "wars are always unjust" and suggesting that in the modern era, traditional just war framework does not apply

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Replies to: “Pope Francis didn't 'Take Sides' when Ukraine fought back against Russia...and even in WWII, the”

  • Bishop Robert Barron on the Just War doctrine - MarkHarman - 3:06pm 4/21/26 (24) [View All]
    • Great conversation to have cuz it’s all up for interpretation and “conversation” [NT] - Frankx - 5:23pm 4/21/26
      • There is no interpretation that can make the attacks on Iran "just" [NT] - Chris94 - 5:26pm 4/21/26
        • I think Jesus would ignore human rights abuses to keep oil prices low. [NT] - iairishcheeks - 6:13pm 4/21/26
          • I guess Jesus would launch a war that keeps that regime in place in your world - Chris94 - 7:27pm 4/21/26
            • Do you think Jesus would launch even a just war? That's a weird thing to think about. - NedoftheHill - 10:43pm 4/21/26
              • Ned= bloodlust [NT] - irishscooter - 1:31am 4/22/26
            • There is no moral justification in allowing that regime to continue. [NT] - iairishcheeks - 7:50pm 4/21/26
              • A regime-change war would be a greater evil - Chris94 - 8:44pm 4/21/26
                • Not if Iran gets a nuke and uses it. - iairishcheeks - 9:40pm 4/21/26
                  • Once DJT listened to Bibi and tore up the JCPOA, this fiasco was pre-destined. - TyroneIrish - 11:42pm 4/21/26
    • "it is not the role of the Church to evaluate whether a particular war is just or unjust." - Chris94 - 4:02pm 4/21/26
      • Bishop Barron is an odd duck...he'll criticize Trump for calling Pope Leo's comments - TyroneIrish - 5:42pm 4/21/26
        • Trump: the Pope is "weak on nuclear weapons" - Chris94 - 5:45pm 4/21/26
      • Name the last war that the Catholic Church declared was a just one under Just War Theory. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 5:29pm 4/21/26
        • Bibi and Donald's War certainly doesn't pass muster...the RCC's Just War guidance emphasizes - TyroneIrish - 6:32pm 4/21/26
          • Chris wasn't answering because he knew he'd already lost the point. - NedoftheHill - 8:26pm 4/21/26
            • The RCC has provided a policy and checklist…Trump’s aggression doesn’t check any of the boxes… - TyroneIrish - 11:18pm 4/21/26
              • You still haven't responded to my query. We all know why. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 2:39am 4/22/26
                • Pope Francis didn't 'Take Sides' when Ukraine fought back against Russia...and even in WWII, the - TyroneIrish - 3:35am 4/22/26
            • So he sent his JV to answer instead [NT] - ColeyO - 10:41pm 4/21/26
              • Heh. Indeed. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 10:54pm 4/21/26
    • “Ginned up…”? Maybe dwelled upon but hardly ginned up. [NT] - jimbasil - 3:49pm 4/21/26
      • Don Henley's song Dirty Laundry is more apt today than in 1984 [NT] - MarkHarman - 5:41pm 4/21/26
        • Don Henley is much more likely to be thinking of FOX 'News' than the NYT and WaPo... - TyroneIrish - 6:39pm 4/21/26

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