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The Democrats and the Republicans are like two sides of a Mobius strip...

Author: fredyo (12582 Posts - Joined: Sep 7, 2009)
Posted at 4:04 pm on Aug 31, 2016
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The most important way US elections are rigged is not voter disenfranchisement, touch screen voting machines or tampered software in ballot scanners, but media manipulation of public consciousness about the candidates.

The 2008 "election" was a choice between the Rockefeller Republicans and the neo-cons, between the Council on Foreign Relations (Biden) and the American Enterprise Institute (McCain), between the old guard of foreign policy and the crazies.

The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can "throw the rascals out" at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy.
-- Carroll Quigley, Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World in our Time
(one of Bill Clinton's teachers at Georgetown University)

Republicans play hard ball and the Democrats play hardly have balls.
-- Swami Beyondananda

Yes there is a difference between Republicans and Democrats. One has no heart and the other has no has no spine. But they both work for the same crime syndicate.
-- Joe Bageant, November 20, 2009, One party has no heart, the other no spine

"'Bipartisan' usually means that a larger-than-usual deception is being carried out."
-- George Carlin

Give the people a choice between a Republican and a Democrat who talks like a Republican and they'll choose the Republican every time.
-- Harry S. Truman

Corrupted by wealth and power, your government is like a restaurant with only one dish. They've got a set of Republican waiters on one side and a set of Democratic waiters on the other side. But no matter which set of waiters brings you the dish, the legislative grub is all prepared in the same Wall Street kitchen.
-- Huey Long

It is my belief that since the JFK assassination the secret government, the CIA and the [Military Industrial Complex], have been running the show. They have not allowed anyone to become president, from either party, that was not under their control.
-- Bruce Gagnon, Global Network Against Weapons & Nuclear Power in Space

I don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist due to the irresponsibility of its people. The issues are much too important for the Chilean voters to be left to decide for themselves.
-- Henry Kissinger, Secretary of State under Richard Nixon, about Chile prior to the CIA overthrow of the democratically elected government of socialist President Salvadore Allende in 1973






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Keep on rockin' in the free world

Replies to: "The Democrats and the Republicans are like two sides of a Mobius strip..."

  • For you lesser of the two evils voters........ - Frank L - 12:07pm 8/31/16 (100) [View All]
    • Cankles vs the Oompa Loompa. [NT] - Tenacious_P - 7:58pm 9/1/16
    • SCOTUS is far and way the only reason needed to vote for Trump - IrishMac - 12:32pm 9/1/16
    • you are so wrong - Hank the Tank - 11:43pm 8/31/16
      • No matter your feelings on frankiel - you have hit the jackpot in crackpot with that post. - jimbasil - 11:31am 9/1/16
        • doesn't matter what he thinks - Hank the Tank - 10:53pm 9/1/16
          • Of course it doesn't. But think is the operative word Hank. You should try it some time. [NT] - Frank L - 3:57pm 9/2/16
          • ...so does mine. [NT] - jimbasil - 9:34am 9/2/16
      • Are you on drugs, or just demented, or both? [NT] - Frank L - 12:13am 9/1/16
    • SCOTUS appointments + dismantling Obamacare + protecting religious conscientious objection rights - BaronVonZemo - 8:12pm 8/31/16
    • Wrong there is always a choice. Our greatest gift is the ability to choose. What about looking at it - THEISMANCARR - 6:54pm 8/31/16
      • Of course there is. But it doesn't mean having to choose one of them. [NT] - Frank L - 7:35pm 8/31/16
        • But if you don't choose one of them, you are just throwing your vote away and in fact possibly - THEISMANCARR - 8:59pm 8/31/16
          • Incorrect. I'm throwing my vote away by choosing either. - Frank L - 9:03pm 8/31/16
            • wrong again - Hank the Tank - 11:56pm 8/31/16
              • "You are failing because you are never right". Second grade must have been such a struggle. [NT] - Frank L - 12:15am 9/1/16
    • Once there is "lesser" of the Two there is no tipping point of unacceptable on the Two. Your problem - Eli - 5:43pm 8/31/16
      • [NT] - jimbasil - 9:41am 9/2/16
      • Thanks Stalin. Talk about an unorganized mind. - Frank L - 6:04pm 8/31/16
        • Responding here to your comment to me below: You make a good point in the abstract. - NedoftheHill - 10:39pm 8/31/16
          • "Trump doesn't support anything bad other than enforcing our immigration laws." - LanceHarbor - 12:37pm 9/1/16
            • "Traditional Republican platform"...why even mention such a thing in this discussion? - NedoftheHill - 2:08pm 9/1/16
              • how convenient that you changed "bad" in the previous post to "evil" now. [NT] - LanceHarbor - 6:33pm 9/1/16
                • Franks asked about, and I answered about moral badness (evil). Were you discusing practical effect? - NedoftheHill - 9:53am 9/2/16
          • Thanks for at least answering the question. - Frank L - 11:21am 9/1/16
            • As far as raw qualifications, he is FAR more qualified that Obama was. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 2:01pm 9/1/16
              • That's not all I'm talking about, but untrue even there. - Frank L - 3:49pm 9/1/16
                • He didn't teach Con Law. And, he had 1 year in the Senate before he ran for president. - NedoftheHill - 4:16pm 9/1/16
                  • this post nicely summarizes how your posting has devolved. [NT] - LanceHarbor - 6:34pm 9/1/16
                    • Care to elaborate? - NedoftheHill - 6:42pm 9/1/16
                      • Not really. If I taught a course on race and discrimination at UC...... - Frank L - 6:47pm 9/1/16
                        • I disagree. - NedoftheHill - 6:49pm 9/1/16
                          • That would depend. If I knew he had other employment, I would assume he was adjunct. - Frank L - 6:52pm 9/1/16
                  • What you smoking Jack? [LINK] - Frank L - 4:22pm 9/1/16
                    • That link didn't refute what I said. - NedoftheHill - 6:35pm 9/1/16
                      • And what you said about him being in the Senate for one year before running is MORE misleading. - Frank L - 6:42pm 9/1/16
                        • I checked the dates. We're both wrong. He had 2 years in the Senate before running. - NedoftheHill - 6:46pm 9/1/16
                          • I said he had over 700 days. I also said he had been in the senate for four years. - Frank L - 6:48pm 9/1/16
                            • Yes, but much of that next 2 years was spent campaigning and not voting. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 6:50pm 9/1/16
                              • Much but not all. How much does Rubio have then? - Frank L - 6:53pm 9/1/16
                                • Or Cruz. - LanceHarbor - 7:05pm 9/1/16
                                  • I don't disagree with either of you on this limited point about Cruz & Rubio. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 11:00pm 9/1/16
        • Stalin is the necessary evil you need to defeat Hitler. Is this pragmatic approach too hard for you? [NT] - Eli - 6:28pm 8/31/16
          • Yeah, but which one is Hitler, Stalin. [NT] - Frank L - 7:32pm 8/31/16
            • - Eli - 1:55am 9/1/16
            • You can't see the difference between Trump and Clinton? [NT] - Cole - 9:26pm 8/31/16
              • They are both unacceptable for different reasons. - Frank L - 11:34pm 8/31/16
            • If you compare them to Hitler and Stalin you don't know the evils of Hitler and Stalin. [NT] - THEISMANCARR - 9:00pm 8/31/16
              • Dude, he made the comparison. Jeez. [NT] - Frank L - 9:02pm 8/31/16
                • Jeez, I hate being called dude. Typical milenniel word usage. [NT] - THEISMANCARR - 1:58pm 9/1/16
                  • Swerve bitch. [NT] - Frank L - 4:10pm 9/1/16
      • His intellect is in order. His emotions prevent him from prioritizing. Trump infuriates him. [IMAGE] - NedoftheHill - 5:53pm 8/31/16
        • His mind now is more like this guy's..... - Eli - 6:40pm 8/31/16
          • Perhaps. It's hard to top genius like "Once there is 'lesser' of the Two there is no tipping point.. - Frank L - 7:42pm 8/31/16
        • No, Trump presents a risk to the current form of our govt. - Frank L - 6:06pm 8/31/16
          • I just saw a HRC PAC attack ad on Trump. I'm surprised they didn't end it with nuclear explosions. - NedoftheHill - 6:14pm 8/31/16
            • I remember watching that ad... - fredyo - 6:18pm 8/31/16
              • I was talking to my wife last night about those drills. She said "A lot of good that would have - LTNDFAN - 10:24pm 8/31/16
                • Play the odds. Many survivors were blocks from Hiroshima ground zero. - NedoftheHill - 12:01am 9/1/16
                  • OK, I will buy that. Good points. [NT] - LTNDFAN - 12:43am 9/1/16
              • I still laugh at the nuclear weapon training I got in the Army. [LINK] [IMAGE] - NedoftheHill - 6:26pm 8/31/16
    • The Democrats and the Republicans are like two sides of a Mobius strip... - fredyo - 4:04pm 8/31/16
      • POY - golfkrzy - 4:28pm 8/31/16
    • Morality doesn't bar us from choosing the lesser of two evils in an election. - NedoftheHill - 4:00pm 8/31/16
      • That wasn't the question. I know all that, although it's not that simple under Catholic doctrine. - Frank L - 7:59pm 8/31/16
    • I would vote for Trump's opponent, almost no matter who it was - Chris94 - 2:25pm 8/31/16
      • Nixon is probably a good line. Hard to think of any nominee since I started voting in 76. - Frank L - 2:49pm 8/31/16
        • It's not fair to compare Nixon to Hillary. She is far worse than he was. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 3:43pm 8/31/16
          • Nixon had major flaws but also major accomplishments - CC72 - 6:16pm 8/31/16
            • So did Stalin. [NT] - Frank L - 11:36pm 8/31/16
              • Comparing Nixon with Stalin is nuts [NT] - CC72 - 9:17am 9/1/16
                • Not to the extent that their accomplishments were far overshadowed by their flaws. - Frank L - 9:28am 9/1/16
                  • This is absurd. Nixon didn't purposly starve 7 million people [NT] [LINK] - CC72 - 3:46pm 9/1/16
                    • Never said he did. He also didn't defeat Hitler or create the biggest empire in Europe. - Frank L - 4:27pm 9/1/16
                      • Total bullshit [NT] - CC72 - 8:10pm 9/1/16
                        • Not total, but just about everything here is bullshit of some type. [NT] - Frank L - 10:37am 9/2/16
            • Agreed. Watergate ruined the Vietnam peace process, though. Domestic scandals matter. [NT] - NedoftheHill - 6:29pm 8/31/16
    • There is no point in arguing with a NeverTrumper. - Cole - 1:38pm 8/31/16
      • While doubtful I can vote for Trump, I am a NeverPlumper...so Hillary is the non-starter for me. - TakethetrainKnute - 2:18pm 8/31/16
        • Huma thinks she's beautiful. So there. [NT] - Frank L - 3:11pm 8/31/16
      • I'm guessing Frank never watches either network. - LanceHarbor - 1:56pm 8/31/16
        • Ok, you're right - he reads Bill Kristol, an original NeverTrumper who also calls him a demagogue. [IMAGE] - Cole - 2:04pm 8/31/16
          • Keep fighting the good fight. - LanceHarbor - 2:08pm 8/31/16
            • It will not be Soros or the DHS. It will have been the Republican establishment and NeverTrumpers - Cole - 2:13pm 8/31/16
              • That's a pretty big cross section of the party, including the hardest core conservative, Cruz. - Frank L - 2:54pm 8/31/16
              • . [NT] - Cole - 2:22pm 8/31/16
              • You're right; we need more people in politics who bury their beliefs and blindly follow the nominee. [NT] - LanceHarbor - 2:18pm 8/31/16
                • Thank you, you just made my point. Trump's positions are in line with Jeb's and Mitt's beliefs. - Cole - 2:23pm 8/31/16
                  • They don't support him because they know he's unqualified in several major respects. - Frank L - 2:57pm 8/31/16
                    • I do not get the "unqualified" part. Are you saying he hasn't been a pol? - Cole - 3:15pm 8/31/16
                      • In part. He does have zero experience with governing. - Frank L - 3:29pm 8/31/16
                        • Responses in the text. - Cole - 4:12pm 8/31/16
    • I was disappointed to learn that Johnson does not believe in mandatory vaccines... - LanceHarbor - 12:55pm 8/31/16
      • I think he clarified that he now does support it after being corrected. - Tenacious_P - 7:57pm 9/1/16
      • What is it with that nonsense? Craziness. - Frank L - 1:07pm 8/31/16
        • Why does the Libertarian Party insist on loons for their candidates? [NT] - CC72 - 1:52pm 8/31/16
          • I really liked Harry Browne. Pretty level headed. - NedoftheHill - 4:11pm 8/31/16
          • They have some loony ideas along with some that make sense. - Frank L - 2:16pm 8/31/16
            • Kind of like the Democrats and the Republicans? - NedoftheHill - 4:07pm 8/31/16
              • Yeah, only loonier in some instances. [NT] - Frank L - 7:43pm 8/31/16
      • . [NT] - Frank L - 1:07pm 8/31/16
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