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I'll have the discussion since it's important to you. First and foremost, what you are cal

Author: WestCoastIrishFan (16218 Posts - Original UHND Member)
Posted at 9:23 am on Nov 21, 2021
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ling an investment in human capital to me is nothing than a liberal's wet dream. I'm a libertarian, so any expansion of government is not going to be well-received by me. Yes, I think there is a need for a safety net. The depth of width of that is where you and I will disagree. I also would rather see any "investments" managed by private enterprise rather than new bureaucracies that just grow ever bigger. I say this not from a strictly libertarian stance. For every $.01 of my tax dollars that go into a bloated bureaucracy, it's one less $.01 that goes into the services any of us receive. There is no incentive for a bureaucracy to become more efficient. Its lone incentive is to become bigger. Additionally, much of the bill is at odds with personal responsibility and marketplace dynamics, two components of what makes America great. I'm just never going to support a bill that allows the government to pick winners and losers, erodes personal responsibility and is at odds with the cultivation of a work ethic. I've attached an article from Time, a left leaning magazine if there ever was one. Let'e review what's in the bill.

$555 billion to fight climate change - I'm on record for saying I don't think humans have much influence on the climate. I know you're going to post a bunch of crap that I won't read, so save yourself. I've read plenty of articles and heard scientists criticize the way the data the is collected and reported. I'm also surprised you're in favor of this given the tax breaks needed to make an investment "economical." This will manifest into higher goods and services, which will disproportionately impact the poor. The government also will have a strong hand in picking the winners and losers. Why not let the marketplace make the change? I'm sure you've installed solar panels on your residence even without the benefit of tax breaks, correct? I mean it is the right thing to do? The implementation of a new CCC. Really? We have a shortage of workers now, and we're going to find 300,000 workers who want to play around in wetlands.

Universal Pre K - I just don't agree with this. If you can't afford to have kids, don't have them. I've had this debate with friends and co-workers. If you can afford to have the latest i phone or take vacations, you can afford to put your kid in pre-K. The bill provides incentives up to an income of $300,000. I'm sorry, but if you have family income up to $300,000, you can afford to send your kid to pre-K, if that's what you choose to do. Also, imagine the variance in pre-K quality? Here again, certain demographics will fall behind others. What I'd rather see here are companies providing childcare as a way to attract talent, which happens more-and-more everyday.

child tax credits - already mentioned

4 weeks paid leave - again, I think this should be left up to the person and employers. Why should someone who doesn't want to take paid leave have to support someone who does?

healthcare spending - as you might have guessed, I'm simply not for this. I do support some sort of public option, but I think it should be paid for by those who choose to use it. I'm not in agreement I should have to pay for something I don't use. There are other ways to attack this as well. Provide companies more of a tax break for increasing coverage? And, frankly, because I have examples from my personal life, many will not sign up until they need it. This is at odds with how insurance is supposed to work. Why sign up if you know the government will be there to bail you out for your poor decisions? And, frustratingly, these are the same people who have the best phones, computers and take more vacations than I.

affordable home care - this falls into my safety net perspective. I do see a need for this, but I also would like to see citizens plan better for this.

affordable housing - not really the government's job to be in this market. And, if they are, I don't think it should be a hand out. They have to have a personal stake in the address.


I would like to see the tax code changed; there are far too many government-created loopholes. I'd rip it up and start over.


Link: https://time.com/6121415/build-back-better-spending-bill-summary/

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Replies to: "I'll have the discussion since it's important to you. First and foremost, what you are cal"

  • For those concerned about the BBB Bill and inflation, Larry Summers supports the legislation.. [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 8:37pm 11/19/21 (29) [View All]
    • My fickle friend...the Summers wind... [NT] [LINK] - TakethetrainKnute - 8:41am 11/20/21
      • Great song. Old Blue Eyes. Nobody does it better. [NT] - ELP - 4:32pm 11/21/21
      • (That's much better, Knute ;-))...LS's "Debbie Downer" attitude doesn't change the merits of the BBB - TyroneIrish - 1:09pm 11/20/21
        • Have fun indoctrinating the grandkids! [NT] - TakethetrainKnute - 7:40am 11/21/21
          • LOL...you may not believe this, but we played "MONOPOLY" with them ;-)...as for "Indoctrination"... - TyroneIrish - 1:11pm 11/21/21
    • it it passes, the full effects won’t be known for years. the bill simply expands the role of govern - WestCoastIrishFan - 7:50am 11/20/21
      • Here's a thought...let's never invest in anything...then in ten years look back at the "Effects"... - TyroneIrish - 1:13pm 11/20/21
        • The bill isn't an investment. It's a transfer of wealth that will benefit everyone but the middle - WestCoastIrishFan - 1:26pm 11/20/21
          • What I'm referring to is investment in "Human Capital", which is a real thing...even Adam Smith [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 2:15am 11/21/21
            • I'll have the discussion since it's important to you. First and foremost, what you are cal [LINK] - WestCoastIrishFan - 9:23am 11/21/21
              • Right off, thanks for taking the time to explain your views on the various aspects of the BBB Bill.. [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 4:09pm 11/21/21
                • I'll just respond within the body of your post... - WestCoastIrishFan - 5:42pm 11/21/21
                  • China is doing something...actually, they're doing a lot when it comes to shifting their energy uses [LINK] - TyroneIrish - 7:51pm 11/21/21
                    • Not really but if we are I’d like to see windmills in the water by Nantucket Island and a nuclear - WestCoastIrishFan - 11:03pm 11/21/21
                      • Did you read the article? [NT] - TyroneIrish - 11:14pm 11/21/21
          • "The poor will receive more benefits to have bunches of kids." - conorlarkin - 5:02pm 11/20/21
            • I don’t think they like being poor, but having kids they can’t support is hardly a solution to get - WestCoastIrishFan - 10:44pm 11/20/21
    • Only an idiot would think that more of what's causing the problem is the answer. Insanity. [NT] - BaronVonZemo - 7:21am 11/20/21
      • Please read the logic that was presented in the article... - TyroneIrish - 1:20pm 11/20/21
      • It’s another Great Society boondoggle. - Curly1918 - 11:56am 11/20/21
      • CBO says as presently constructed it will add $160B to the deficit. Biden said it would "cost zero" - TakethetrainKnute - 8:39am 11/20/21
        • Biden may be correct. - conorlarkin - 9:17am 11/20/21
          • I suppose that’s theoretically possible… - TakethetrainKnute - 7:42am 11/21/21
          • The CBO is right more often than wrong - Fisher01 - 7:05pm 11/20/21
          • Like you, he is incorrect and not very intelligent. [NT] - notredame678 - 1:07pm 11/20/21
        • Amazing. And Dem machine sends out word to followers that more spending will fix it when - BaronVonZemo - 9:04am 11/20/21
    • Cool, the asswipe that helped repeal regulation to get us in the housing bubble is cool with it [NT] - holybull101 - 10:23pm 11/19/21
      • I'm guessing you didn't read the linked article... - TyroneIrish - 11:16pm 11/19/21
    • The Senate version will be just fine. Our system works. [NT] - Curly1918 - 8:45pm 11/19/21
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